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port orford cedar???
stiknstring:
I have shot cedar...but I would rather shoot the birch I have or the poplar I have...can't wait to set up my dowel cutter I have a whole slew of different woods I want to try...poplar, western red cedar, white pine, cherry, etc etc and so forth
Auggie:
Now that Ive made a few cane arras,I love em.Wish I had more. ;)
Shooter_G22:
i like the few bamboo arrows that i have made... but then i have also had problems with the point getting banged up and spittong on my and eventually cracking and splitting down to the first nods.... i just think that maby the wieght matched and spined and hand straightend good quality cedar r maybe pine shafts will shoot a little more consistant... i just cant get over the bamboo being a little crocked and all... maybe just need to get some better shafts or get some of the bamboo arrows that some of you guys are producing to see waht they are suppossed to end up like...
i'm still trying new stuff and really like to mess with a little of this and a little of that and see waht is going to work better for me....
Auggie, i havent forgot about you... i think now i know what i can send you in return for that video you sent us ;) ;) ;)
just going to be a while befor i can go harvest anymore bamboo shoots... i also need some for ourselves and we traded all we had harvested on the last run...
but as for the dowel rod cutter i need to get that set up soon im anxiouse to find out how it will compare to the boo we can harvest here....
plus i dont know if i'm doing the boo corectly... and i'm still obsessed with wanting to make some really matched cedar or pine shafts taht i can dip and dip crest and put a real nice metalic crest on them and get them shooting like this one doz i bought about 5-6yrs ago...
i want to master that craft of making a really accurate set of arrows....
M-P:
Hi, My two cents worth " isnt pine and cedar very close to being the same?" That's like saying aren't hickory and ash close to being the same thing. Totally different trees with different wood.
" and if that is true, why are there not alot more pine made arrows if its alot easier to come by?" I'm not sure why pine isn't more widely used. Commercially made pine shafting is available. It's made from lodgepole pine, but for some reason the shafts are sold as "Chondo". Talk about lack of respect! The pine shafts I've purchased or made seem to be a little heavier, a little harder to straighten and just as easily broken as POC.
Part of the reason that pine isn't used more widely may be that the current timber harvesting is not geared toward providing arrow wood. There are many different species of pine, and wood characteristics, especially strength and straightness, vary widely between species. Construction timbers are unlikely to be marked with species name or selected for arrow shaft quality.
For me the best thing about POC is repeatability. If I'm making a batch of arrows for competition I want them to be as perfectly matched as I can make them. POC does that for me. If I were making arrows for roving / stump shooting I'd want ease of making and durability, like ash or birch. For hunting large game, I'd want shafts that were a little heavier and tough, or at least easily repaired, can't beat cane or bamboo.
I've made arrows out of western red cedar ( old fence posts from the pasture) it is easy to work and makes shafts that are similar to POC in strength and weight.
Ron
Shooter_G22:
Ron,
thanks for your input... it makes alot of sense... i understand that cedar and pine are two differant trees... just figured they were pretty similar like hickory and pecan... are very similar...
i went to buy a board stock in the ruff at a hardwood mill to attempt to make a bow and i asked for hickory and the guy replied yea i got hickory and then said well its actually pecan and i said well i'm looking for hickory and he said well its very close and we class it the same... ???? i didnt know this soo i went ahead and bought the pecan board... made a good bow form it eventually, but i really wish i had the hickory instead, but i guess the pecan made an ok substitute... and i was thinking the same theiry on the pine substitution for the PO Cedar...
if i cant buy a ruff stock PO Cedar board i know there is plenty of pine available to get anywhere and was thinking that the pine would be an ok substitute and then i was thinkning of maybe useing the red cedar as a substitute as well.... but i guess i will find out soon enough as soon as i can get a good set up to make them...
well anyways, thanks guys, for all he information and comments.... i think im just going to have to try it out and get some more experiance... ;D ;D ;D
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