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Wolf sighting on Santiam pass in Oregon
DanaM:
--- Quote from: Pat B on February 16, 2009, 10:18:36 am ---Well it seems we are all on the same page but from a different perspective. ;)
Dana, I am one of those certified liberals and have been for over 40 years but I don't live in a city. Maybe that's the difference! ;D ;)
--- End quote ---
Yup I know Pat ;) :D
Me I'm just a stubborn old Yooper :D
El Destructo:
Your a Liberal Pat?? ....I guess I am one in a way too....and I too believe that the Wolf should be here...just like the Moose. Deer, Bear, Coyote, Raptors....and the List goes on and on....It is up to Us to balance Nature to the Point that All Species can coexist again....We are the cause for it's imbalance to begin with....We are the ones taking away all of their natural range....and encroaching on them....not them on Us And as we will not quit encroaching....We need to find ways to ensure that no One Species takes the Brunt of Our advancements...they were all here first....and it would surely be a shame if they were decimated just for Us to build more Sub Divisions and Subburbs....I ain't getting all Misty Eyed either Dana.....I love to see Squirrels as much as I do Eagles when I am out in the Wilderness....and I think it would be a shame to lose any of them as a Species.....We owe it to the future generations to protect and to ensure that they are still here in a couple hundred years....and this will not just take Protection Laws....it will also take Harvesting some of these beautiful Creatures to keep everything in check.....JMHO
paulc:
There are plenty of deer and elk and moose to go around. Considering most of us hunt for pleasure and the wolves hunt because they have no choice I think they might be entitled to a couple more than us. I would bet less deer go to waste due to wolves than hunters...I am sure all of us "pure" archery hunters never waste anything from the animals we kill, right?? Manage the wolf population...I am all for it just remember we are not the center of the world so lets be good neighbors and share.
Wolf Watcher:
Once again people who don't live here (Northwest Wyoming) have no clue as to the problems the planting of a non native species of wolves has caused people who make their living raising cattle for market! We can't go back to the days where we as humans did not encroach on the territories of the wildlife. If there was a small area for the wolves to live in the forests and national parks it would be different, but there are millions of acres of wild country for the wolves and grizzlies to habitate. The problem is they kill livestock on private ground and with the present laws there is little to nothing the owners can do about it. You are mistaken about the number of animals the wolves vs hunters waste in OUR area. Send me your email address and I will send you some pictures that show the real story. We are willing to live with outsiders planting non essential, non native wolves in Yellowstone, just give us the right to defend our livestock and wildlife by controlling the numbers of wolves and grizzlies! None of you fellows love nature, its beauty and balance more than I do. Watcher
DanaM:
See we all basically agree that wolves and all animals need protection but they also need to have control.
What the PETA and Humane Society of America want is to ban all hunting and let nature take its course,
right up till the deer are in their yards eating their landscaped yards, then ya call in a professional to make the
problem go away, under cover of darkness of course so they can pretend it didn't happen.
The problem with getting a season on wolves is mostly political and not tied to management principles in any way.
The end result is people will take it upon themselves to manage the wolf population :o Here in the UP in the area I hunt we had
a bad winter last year which resulted in many deer deaths, throw in the fawns taken by bobcat, bear, and yotes and the adult deer
that the wolves take, the car/deer deaths, crop damage permits, violators, etc and their aren't many left for us hunters.
One other point and thats, we as sportsman pay through our license fees and taxes to maintain the wildlife population, the antis and
other so called animal rightests folk pay nothing but their voices apparently carry more weight with the politicians than anyone elses.
Your hunting rights are more in peril now than at any other point in history all hunters had best put their differences aside and band
together if we are going to continue to enjoy the right to hunt. If you don't believe me on this than you really need to get your head
out of the sand and open your eyes to the reality before you. The enemy is about to surround us and cut off all the escape routes at
that point ya might as well jump off the cliff as it will be less painful ;)
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