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Wolf sighting on Santiam pass in Oregon
paulc:
All I will say Hawkbow is these wolves are not an introduced species...they were here long before europeans first set foot on this continent and are an integral part of the natural system. It is mankind and our sprawling agriculture and homes(second and third in some cases) and misguided claim to exclusive rights to the dirt under our feet that is the root of the problem. Managment of the wolf population is absolutely necessary just as the elk and deer need to be managed.
I for one will not advocate shooting wolves for simply being wolves until I see actual evidence that they are about to or have overwhelmed the deer and elk populations. In spite of the Feds being feds I don't think they will allow the wolves to destroy the game animals we all pay taxes hunt...no hunting no taxes and we all know how the feds love their taxes.
El Destructo:
Paul...ya need to read up on this Subjest some before going off....these are not Native Species....these are Canadian Grey Timber Wolves that are three times the size of our Native Red Wolves....Not from here introduced into Yellowstone and other National Parks along with various States they were brought in from areas deep in the Northwest territories of Canada...These Wolves live primarily on Moose...Elk and Whitetail deer....hell they even take down Bison...and kill for the sake of killing.... they will even drive out or kill Coyote Packs...they dont take any guff from any Species including Bears
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robbsbass:
Dana you brought up PETA so I guess I can add my two cents worth, for what they are worth. PETA was the main reason that the spring bear hunt in Ontario was cancelled, now we are overrun with black bears and when you have a problem, you can't shoot them leagally, and the Ministry hasn't got time for you. Go figure
paulc:
timber wolves of some flavor or another are native to pretty much the entire north american continent, red wolves are native to the southeast. So with that in mind wolves are native to pretty much all of north america. I have never heard of anyone suggesting timber wolves for anywhere in the south east but if someone could show me evidence to support that timber wolves had a historic range here in GA I would not have a problem with them being reintroduced into wilderness areas here in GA or somewhere else in the south east. There is definitely a difference between a red wolf and a timber wolf but to try and claim a meaningful difference between a canandian timber wolf and a wolf from montana or oregon or minnesota is invalid.
wolves will definitely kill a coyote if given the opportunity because they compete for similar resources. that is how it works and to wring our hands about that suggests a lack of understanding about how the natural world works. We might as well get upset when a pike eats the yellow perch we were trying to catch. It sucks for that coyote or perch for sure but that is how the system is set up. and to apply moral values and judgements to what an animal does is up to you but I can't see any validity to it. Only humans are capable of immoral or abhorrent behavior because we (hopefully) have an opportunity to learn right from wrong. Animals have no way of learning under what circumstances it is okay to kill. If we can morally kill animals then animals can morally kill animals. The attempt to claim that our killing is somehow more moral or defensible does not stand up to critical thought.
And yeah, el destructo I do have a background in this stuff as I have spent the last 15yrs of my life working in the natural science and education field. My views may not be yours but that does not mean I just blowing hot air
hawkbow:
Paulc, around here the coyotes actually follow the wolves around.. they have learned to capitalize on the wolfs tendancy to only eat a small portion of the kill before moving on... easy food for the song dogs.. let the wolves do the work and then eat your fill... Hawk
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