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Arrow bag
Cromm:
Could it be that it was made that way so you could bag up 24 arrows without heads on and then undo the bottom to put the heads on later on at a different place or putting on different heads????
Thanks for your time.
Yewboy:
--- Quote from: bow-toxo on July 04, 2009, 08:42:33 pm ---Discs in the museum had a short slit at an edge of each hole which made possible a closer fit for the long tapered arrows. manuscript illustratiions show the upper part of the arrow bags like those pictured on this thread. Does someone have the evidence about the lower part ? It should be clear that an archer is not going to drag his fletchings through a 1/2" hole so the idea of a drawstring at the bottom doesn't make sense.
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The MR spacers do not have a short slit in them, This suggests that smaller bodkin type points were used as a barbed head would not fit through the hole, There is only one spacer which is in the British Museum which has a small notch in the holes but I'm unsure of the date of this spacer.
Below is a picture of the MR spacers.
Davepim:
--- Quote from: bow-toxo on July 05, 2009, 02:55:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: triton on July 05, 2009, 05:16:37 am ---perhaps experimental archeology would convince you. pull the fletchings through the hole and see what happens to them.
To myself and others it makes sense to undo the the bottom of the bag, push the arrows from the top into the ground and pull the bag off over the top. arrows are then prestented ready for shooting
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That sounds to me like a lot of fumbling. When trying to pull the bag over the top, I picture the leather disc holes catching the fletching, pulling the arrows out of the ground and the archer pushing them back down, then trying to smooth his fletching under combat conditions.That alternative would make more sense to me if the disc held the arrows above the fletching, an alternative some experimental archaeologists have considersd, rather than below it as was actually the case. It also makes more sense to me to pull the bodkin pointed arrows upward, as would be the case with arrows hung at the hip as in one manuscript, rather than reach down below your knees to try to extract the arrows hung at the hip as one found on the Mary Rose was. But doubtless some experimental archaeologlsts are more flexible than I am. What I wanted to know was what evidence there is for the lower drawstring.
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Earlier in the year, in the museum of a castle in Trentino, Italy, I saw a 15th painting of a battle in which one archer was depicted using an arrow bag as a side quiver. The top and bottom drawstrings were undone, the top and bottom of the bag were shown rolled towards the spacer in the middle and the drawstrings were used to tie it all to the archer's belt. It looked a workable arrangement, BUT it wasn't a painting of English archers.
Dave
bow-toxo:
--- Quote from: triton on July 05, 2009, 03:07:01 pm ---try it
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Thanks. I prefer to stick with my quiver.
Yewboy:
To add to my earlier post, it has been suggested that the arrows could have been pulled through the spacer pulling the fletch through the spacer and Bow-Toxo suggests that this is not really feasable as the fletchings could get damaged, however one thing that has been overlooked here is that the 1/2" hole in the spacer is not a tight fit around the arrow shaft as the arrow shaft is Bobtaile (Tapered) from 1/2" at the head (So no problem fitting through the hole) to 3/8" at the nock, this means just under an 1/8" gap around the shaft just below the fletch, (This would allow the fletch to be pulled through the spacer without damage to the fletch at all.)
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