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Yewboy:
--- Quote from: Rod on April 30, 2009, 10:07:50 am ---More in agreement than you might expect Nick, but like any other rational being, not about to give up observation and understanding for blind and unquestioning admiration any time soon...
And you must admit that some of the "explanations" on offer only serve to confuse or cast doubt.
For example:
A "slashing loose" is just that. It is not a contrived method of pre-aiming and drawing, but it can be the fast and fluent loosing component in more than one style of draw.
Rod.
Oh of course that's it, I just remembered you know and I don't. Silly me!
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nick1346:
--- Quote from: alanesq on April 30, 2009, 12:20:56 pm ---
Nick: maybe we could film some looses at Batsford with my high speed camera then see what info we can deduce from these?
it should be possible to tell the arrow speed and the archers speed and thus what amount of this arrow speed is due to the active loose
we could also film the same archer not using an active loose and compare them in great detail
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Sounds liike a good idea Alan, I'll be there with cameras in hand but I've got to film something first else as a priority ;)
Rod:
That would be both interesting and informative since it would allow everyone to see how the whole thing comes together.
What interests me is how the sequence is co-ordinated by different folks and how that effects the shot.
My personal view remains that timing, good extension and a clean loose will characterise the good shots.
And that a breakdown in timing, a lack of extension and a less than slick loose will characterise the poor shots.
It might be useful to have some sort of point of reference in shot behind the archer, such as a vertical pole so as to better perceive and compare the relative movement of the parts.
Also to see the loose and arrow departure from behind might prove instructive.
Rod.
Rod:
--- Quote from: Yewboy on April 30, 2009, 08:07:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: Rod on April 30, 2009, 10:07:50 am ---More in agreement than you might expect Nick, but like any other rational being, not about to give up observation and understanding for blind and unquestioning admiration any time soon...
And you must admit that some of the "explanations" on offer only serve to confuse or cast doubt.
For example:
A "slashing loose" is just that. It is not a contrived method of pre-aiming and drawing, but it can be the fast and fluent loosing component in more than one style of draw.
Rod.
Oh of course that's it, I just remembered you know and I don't. Silly me!
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Yewboy
You can do better than that.
The point is that the style of loose is not, except in a limited context, predetermined by the style of the draw.
There are of course, more common and less common combinations.
So it would be appreciated if you could refrain from the weak sarcasm and consider what it is that you have to say and then say it succinctly and politely.
It seems to me that the heavy draw for shooting distance is so alike to a normal ground up draw and loose that the only distiguishing features to an observer, signs of greater effort aside, are the "push" with the body into the loose and the degree of reaction to loosing the weight.
In my somewhat limited experience it seems to me that it is more in the timing and the fluency than in the more obvious reaction.
Also, as a general rule, that the better the archer, the less apparent the effort.
Obviously being mindful that mastering their draw weight in these bows is a work in progress for most.
FWIW
Rod.
alanesq:
I am sure you are right that most of it is technique
- I know this as I have yet to get a decent technique myself ;-)
the question I want to try and answer is what is the difference in distances between a perfect "standard" loose and the same perfect loose but also trying to throw the bow forward as the arrow leaves to give a bit more power
The question for me is; is the effort of doing an active loose worth doing
i.e. will the arrow go another 10 yards or 10mm?
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