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huntertrapper:
also they gave up bows for guns to better than survival for food and against enemy warriors and the whiteman and someone should ask that jay red hawk, who killed a buffalo with stone, what kinda point he used to kill that big beast with and what the death and damage was like...

hawkbow:
i agree that the steel are easier to make , and they sure last longer than stone for shooting over and over.. i mostly use only steel nowdays, but in my youth stone was much cheaper and easier to come by :o ;D so I used it.... i have found that the smaller trade points are deadly on deer, but three to one is a must for elk....Hawk

Anaconda 12:
I have limited experience with killing deer with stone, having only taken three, but I have taken 76 to date with traditional gear, ie. longbow and steel heads, so I think that my experience is viable enough to place my opinion.  Billy made some heads for me to hunt with last fall and I was lucky enough to take three deer with them with my selfbow, I limited my shots to fifteen yards or less and you will have a hard time convincing me they do not work as well as the natives that used them for thousands of years.  I think from reading thru this topic that alot of people have had bad results either because improper arrow and bow tuning, or shot placement, which the two together create undesirable issues.  I am a raging lunatic about accuracy and the tuning of both my arrows and bows, Just ask Billy I think I drove him nuts trying to explain my way of both shooting and tuning.  I very rarely comment on this forum but do lurk here alot to see what everyone is up to, opinions are up to the individual, but I figured I would place mine as well and it won't be chagend anytime soon, stone heads work when in the RIGHT hands!  And to prove my point the next elk hunt I go on Billy is knapping me some heads for that hunt, if when I get them and they shoot fine and I have confidence in the setup, I have no reservations about using them to take elk.

Ryano:
OK, so tell me why I shot both of these arrows into whitetail doe's last year slightly quartering away shot 15 yards or less angling forward into the vitals got what appeared to be great penetration and had absolutely no blood trail to follow? The points are obsidian. They were thin and sharp, shot placement was good.....arrows weighed 550 grains and flew like darts....There's no doubt in my mind that I killed both of these deer but I was unable to recover either of them. Looked for two days both times, even took the dog out with me. No blood, none. I made almost the exact same shot later in the year on a pope and young buck with the same bow and a wooden arrow with a steel point. He traveled less than a hundred yards and was recovered and left a followable blood trail even in the rain. I just don't get it. None of you were there so don't tell me it was poor shot placement, I saw where the arrow hit both times. OH, and the heads were about 7/8" wide right at our states minimum width requirement.

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Hillbilly:
Ryan, hard to tell from a pic, but it looks like those points could use a little bit more edge work. I like to pick those deltas off so the edge is smooth and perfectly straight, then go over it with a really tiny sharp flaker and micro-serrate the whole edge. I've left a pretty heavy blood trail myself from the knapping pit to the medicine cabinet a few times after being careless with the edges of points while sharpening them. :) I usually carry a little sharp flaker with me and touch them up as needed.

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