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stone point trauma pics...
billy:
Muahhh.haa...haaa!! We have convinced twistedlimbs to reenter the stone age and hunt with stone points! >:D I really wish ya the best of luck dude and hope that you can make it happen this time. Just be sure to protect those points like they are tiny eggs so the edges will be of utmost sharpness when they hit that world-record trophy buck this fall. Also, aim VERY close to that shoulder. The one deer I shot this fall when the arrow almost went totally thru her, I thought for sure she was gonna be dead. When I saw that arrow hit, I immediately said to myself "That's a dead deer." Well, turns out my shot was still just a bit too far back and I only got one lung. Oh yeah, she was dead....but where she died is still a mystery and I never found her. I am sending you SUPER luck twistedlimbs....the rest is up to you! :)
Timo:
Also another point that we haven't dicussed but most here probly know is the sinew wraps behind the point. By looking at twisted limbs pic I can see that he has got them wrapped well,go deal.
We are not sure what the points do on impact unless we recover the arrow,without ample wraps to hold that point from moving,it could get sideways, or even split the shaft causeing alot of loss of energy.
Just some thoughts, so wrap um well. ;)
Hillbilly:
A smooth transition from point to shaft is a must, too-anything that can snag or hang will slow down penetration. Looks like you've got that covered, the shaft ends look tapered and ramped up with pitch.
Mechslasher:
heard about this thread at the classic and figured i'd throw my two cents worth in the pot. there are three secrets to killing deer with a bow and i'll list them below:
-SHOT PLACEMENT
-SHOT PLACEMENT
-SHOT PLACEMENT
animals are tough! if you take out both lungs, the animal will die within site. it's that simple. it doesn't matter what they are shot with, steel or stone. i had a very crazy friend of mine shot a doe with a field point through both lungs. she didn't make it 100 yards. he forgot his broadheads that day and had field points in his quiver. i've also seen deer walk off after being hit with a 2.5" vortex expanding broadhead in the chest. i've skinned hundreds of deer, probably over a thousand. i've found everything inside deer, rifle bullets, buckshot, broadheads, and even sticks. i once found most of an arrow shaft with the broadhead in a doe. she had been shot through both shoulders from a treestand. the arrow angled down through the shoulders and stopped in the right front leg. the wound was several years old and she had a fawn that year so she was healthy. i shot a squirrel with a stone point that had to weigh 200gr. it was a quartering away shot while he was climbing up the tree. the point entered below his ribs and the tip of the point broke through at the base of the neck. the squirrel still managed to run to the top of the tree carrying the 700-800gr. arrow. quartering away shots are over rated. true, if the shot is placed just behind the rib cage the point will have an unobstructed path to the lungs. but the angle must be perfect to take out both lungs. one lung is just not good enough. i've seen arrows deflect off ribs on quartering away shots if the angle is too flat. on my last deer i had such a shot. she was staggering away, after being shot in the neck, and i took a severe quartering away shot. the 750gr. grizzly tipped arrow entered just forward of the hip and stopped just short of breaking the skin at the neck and shoulder junction. i only nicked the lung with the shot. my last hog was killed with a stone point. perfect broadside at 10 yards. the arrow buried up to the fletching and the hog ran about 20 yards. it bled like, well, a stuck pig. the story and pics should be in the pa mag soon. one problem i see quite often is hunters using light arrows. i consider 500gr light. i feel a hunting arrow should be 600+ gr. most of mine are in the 700-800gr. range. the main problem i have with stone is they come in around 100gr. for a hunting point, too light. this needs to be offset with a very heavy shaft to aid in penetration. i feel this is overlooked to often.
to see if your set up will work, at least on paper, here's the formula and rules i use:
KE = M * v2 / 450,240
<25 ft. lbs. for small game
30-40 for deer
> 40 for moose and elk
the setup on my hog hunt came to 35.03 ft. lbs. the performance of my arrow proved the numbers correct.
billy:
I totally agree with you Mechslasher, shot placement is key. I believe that poor shot placement is by far the number one reason why deer are not recovered. Every time I've put my arrow where I was aiming, that animal died amazingly fast. When I don't, the animal ends up running away and is very difficult to find. My failures have nothing to do with insufficient power, and everything to do with poor shot placement. When I practice a lot, my accuracy improves, and that improves my success on bringing home meat. Period.
Fred Asbell wrote an article in Traditional Bowhunter several years ago about traditional bows for women, most of which pulled between 40-48 lbs. Fred spoke to several hunters, and a few of them had killed elk with bows pulling 45-48 lbs. But they were shooting very heavy arrows and had practiced rigorously to ensure they could hit the intended target.
And I've also got two friends who have killed two deer each, so 4 deer total, that were carrying fragments of arrows in their bodies. One friend told me he found an entire arrow embedded in the backstrap of a deer he killed. This was a modern arrow, mind you, with a modern steel broadhead and carbon fiber shaft. The friends who found arrow fragments also told me that all the deer that were carrying arrows in their bodies were healthy with no infection present.
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