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Yewboy:
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If it was braced when the ship went down then why didn't it float away??????????, It seems a little strange that as it would float that it was still found around the wreck site after so many hundreds of years....hmmmmm!
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Probably the same reason that the other bows and arrows found on the ship didn't float away, Apparently some did. The number recovered was fewer than thiose listed in the inventory.
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Well no! the other bows were packed in wooden chests and could not have floated away, but a bow braced would have been a bow in use at the time she went down and so would have floated away. The arrows were also cased apart from the ones in their leather spacers and as some of the spacers were found it suggests that the arrows that were packed in them have long since degraded to nothing, however the cased arrows were found in similar condition to the bows.
bow-toxo:
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Well no! the other bows were packed in wooden chests and could not have floated away, but a bow braced would have been a bow in use at the time she went down and so would have floated away. The arrows were also cased apart from the ones in their leather spacers and as some of the spacers were found it suggests that the arrows that were packed in them have long since degraded to nothing, however the cased arrows were found in similar condition to the bows.
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In that case I await your explanation or theory for the aforementioned bow having been found.
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Yewboy:
--- Quote from: bow-toxo on June 16, 2009, 03:59:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: Yewboy on June 16, 2009, 05:18:13 am ---
--- Quote from: bow-toxo on June 15, 2009, 12:09:11 pm ---[quote author=Yewboy link=topic=12736.msg187997#msg187997 date=1
Well no! the other bows were packed in wooden chests and could not have floated away, but a bow braced would have been a bow in use at the time she went down and so would have floated away. The arrows were also cased apart from the ones in their leather spacers and as some of the spacers were found it suggests that the arrows that were packed in them have long since degraded to nothing, however the cased arrows were found in similar condition to the bows.
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In that case I await your explanation or theory for the aforementioned bow having been found.
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I have neither theory or an explanation, however I did not state that the bow was braced when the ship went down.....you did! So it is up to you to put forward your reasons for stating such a fact.
One possibility is that the bow dried into that shape after it was brought up, many of the bows took on a "Set" of some decription due to different areas of the wood drying quicker than others, this one could just be the extreme.
I will take a very close look at the aformentioned bow when I am at the MR in a couple of weeks time.
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bow-toxo:
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In that case I await your explanation or theory for the aforementioned bow having been found.
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I have neither theory or an explanation, however I did not state that the bow was braced when the ship went down.....you did! So it is up to you to put forward your reasons for stating such a fact.
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Sure. My reason for stating it is because it was reported by Hardy. I invite you to prove him a liar. The bend would not be of a kind to warp to the precise curvature of a braced bow except by having been braced.
Yewboy:
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Sure. My reason for stating it is because it was reported by Hardy. I invite you to prove him a liar. The bend would not be of a kind to warp to the precise curvature of a braced bow except by having been braced.
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I don't want to go round in circles on this, but Hardy's theory is just that - (His theory), he has been wrong in the past and could also be wrong in this instance, With regards the Westminster Abbey arrow, his information is so wrong it's crazy.
I doubt that you have actually ever seen this bow, you have probably only seen a picture of it in Hardy's book and you have accepted his theory as gospel, I have seen this bow and handled it and I will make a point of having another good look at it when I am there in few weeks time, from memory, if the bow had been braced and the shape is as you say "caused by it being braced when the ship went down, then this bow would have had a 9" brace height.....A little high don't you think?
Anyway as I say I will take some very detailed measurements of it and get some high def pictures showing the bent shape of this bow.
We are going a bit of topic here but as you seem to feel you are in the know here and have used this particular bow to help with your string theory's then we might as well explore this to the full.
Anyway
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