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Fast Flight on warbow
backgardenbowyer:
I was at Batsford too - 438yds it was and stopped by a tree. We will need a bigger field! As to official records I've no idea what the rules are but there were plenty of witnesses to this shot. I didn't however get to see the bow or the arrow Alistair used - was it laminated or a self bow, does anyone know?
Stan
Marc St Louis:
I couldn't remember the exact distance and even though it was witnessed by many I doubt that it will stand as a world record with fita, although I don't see why not
Yeomanbowman:
--- Quote from: Marc St Louis on June 01, 2009, 09:18:25 pm ---I couldn't remember the exact distance and even though it was witnessed by many I doubt that it will stand as a world record with fita, although I don't see why not
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Marc,
We are not saying it should be a FITA record, clearly it isn't as it was not at a FITA event, but what we are saying is it is an EWBS World Record that (as far as I am concerned) is every bit it's equal. The standard of EWBS distance shooting is world class and I can think of only one British archer, not in the organisation, who'd stand a chance of bettering it's best.
Rod:
--- Quote from: markinengland on June 01, 2009, 05:11:26 pm ---Rod, there is a very real difference between the effect of a heavy arrow and and a very strong non-stretch string. Basically opposite effects. A heavy arrow will be efficient and take most of the energy out of the bow leaving relatively little to be absorbed by the bow or string. A light arrow on the other hand may leave the bow fast but is relatively inefficient in terms of energy transfer leaving more energy in the bow/string. Whatever energy is left after the arrow leaves the bow stays in the system and must be absorbed by the bow and string. If the string can stretch a little some is absorbed by the string. If it doesn't that energy is absorbed by the bow limbs. If shooting light arrows from heavy bows with too overbuilt a continous loop string without energy absorbing twist you approach a dry fire situation in a worst case scenario.
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Mark,
I am aware of the principles involved.
I only observed that both a heavier shaft and a heavier string can produce a lower speed than a lighter shaft or lighter string (within certain limits in relationship to dry fire speed and with all else being equal).
And as I have already mentioned, it is a fallacy that fastflight is a "non-stretch" string.
Ratty,
I made no such assumption about linen, but mentioned a commonly held opinion which I personally do not subscribe to.
But thank you for the clarification, which I do agree with.
Rod.
Rod:
--- Quote from: Yewboy on June 01, 2009, 04:41:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: Marc St Louis on June 01, 2009, 09:39:31 am ---The record was set at around 430 yds but this was not a recorded world flight record
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The actual distance was recorded at 438yds, shot by Alistair Aston, this is an official record with the EWBS and a world record, just because it wasn't shot at a FITA event doesn't mean it isn't official. It was measured with laser range finders by Mark Stretton and the bow was checked by both Mark Stretton and Steve Stratton, both commitee oficials within the EWBS, this shot was witnessed by over 50 other archers from around Europe
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I suppose that this comes down to a difference of opinion about what constitutes an internationally recognised World Record as opposed to an EWBS World Record.
I think it sufficient that it is an EWBS Record that surpasses anything done in the same class under FITA rules.
Like Bert Smith's BLBS record for the Clout, it stands upon it's own merit.
Equally one could make a case that World Record status is generally held to be within the purview of FITA.
Just let me say that I would not like to see bickering here about spheres of authority in such a matter, even though I have long held the opinion that matters pertaining to the English bow are no business of FITA or any other foreign or internatiional organisation.
I must admit, to my shame that I once shot a FITA round with the longbow at County level, but only after the distance had been converted into Imperial measure to the nearest 16th of an inch by a judge with a sense of humour, since I refused to shoot a metric distance as a matter of principle.
The fact remains however that as things stand, to gain "official" international recognition a World Record might be worth repeating in FITA flight competition, if that is what you wish.
Rod.
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