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Bowyers Flote
CraigMBeckett:
--- Quote ---I too see a tool with single chisel cut akin to that of single cut rasp
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You too see it with whom? It seems you see something different to Bow-toxo who claims to see "a surface with grooves cut vertical on one side and slanted on the other side" or are you now going to change what you claim to see?
--- Quote ---What we seem to get from you since begining is "other converse" "informed opinion" etc... Who are those people and what are their credentials?
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Again jaro you exaggerate for your own purposes, from the beginning I supplied info on where to get one, the coat of arms of the Worshipful Company etc etc, it was only the post after your "Which does not seem to be designed for bowmaking. " when I mentioned other opinions etc. Do not exaggerate it does not become you. This is the second time in as many posts you have tried exaggeration as a means of supporting your claim or decrying what I an saying, each time it was far from the truth.
--- Quote ---You seem to imply that my opinion and some others opininon is somehow "uninformed", when appealing to invisible and unknown authority. Who are those "informed people pls?
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As for informed opinion that of course would come from people who have used one or have spoken to or read on their use, not people who have not used one or have not read of their use or spoken to others who have used one. Which I believe describes you and until you do use one or speak to someone who has you cannot comment in an informed manner, or are you claiming to be an expert in tools you have never used ?
Jaro I would take advice from you WRT self bows as being informed, you are known to make bows and have done so for some time and have a certain expertise in it, however the mere fact you make bows does not make you an expert in all things to do with bows let alone anything else..
The tool may turn out to be useless but I would not take the word of someone who has not used one and who dismisses it out of hand.
Let me ask you these questions, I will ignore the cost of such a large piece of carbon steel at a time when even Knights had little of it in their armour and when axes were the favourite weapon of many because they were less expensive than swords due to the fact that only the cutting edge needed to be carbon steel with the back of the axe being soft iron.
If all the tool is is a rasp and therefore essentially made out of metal why is it so big? It would be too heavy and unwieldy to be used on bows.
If the tool is a rasp why is it not shaped as are files today, especially as files dating from the 14th C have been found and they are similar to the shape of those used today? see:
http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/wood.shtml
If the tool is a rasp why attach the handle in such a difficult way, drilling through carbon steels is difficult, why not just make a handle as is done today and was done on the 14th C files?
If the tool is a rasp why go to the trouble of forging blade like teeth when it is far simpler to make rasp teeth by lifting small sections by hammering punches into the hot metal as is the way rasps are made today and have been made in the past?
Craig.
Jaro:
Go to Richard Heads site, there is video link on first page to a display case with medieval bowyers tools. While the spokeshave and handplane are somehow more modern that I would expect (more like 18-19. century). he has there very good all forged bowyers flote, which is by means single cut rasp or coarse file.
http://www.english-longbow.co.uk/
Whillst both versions might be possible, this is actually what I see and perseive as correct.
J.
CraigMBeckett:
Jaro,
I would also suggest you acquaint yourself with the rules of this site specifically rules 4 and 5.
Craig.
Rod:
That's quite enough of this kind of nonsense.
Jaro,
If you can't be polite, keep it to yourself.
Don't post it here.
Craig,
If we are going to be adult about it, let it go.
You have made your point.
Rod.
bow-toxo:
--- Quote from: CraigMBeckett on April 04, 2010, 09:15:32 pm ---
Let me ask you these questions, I will ignore the cost of such a large piece of carbon steel at a time when even Knights had little of it in their armour and when axes were the favourite weapon of many because they were less expensive than swords due to the fact that only the cutting edge needed to be carbon steel with the back of the axe being soft iron.
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Craig.
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If I may, I will try to answer your questions if we can drop Chinese tools for the moment and return to topic The carbon steel would only be needed in a one millimetre thick blade perhaps 3” wide and 5”long. Spears were more usual than axes and used even less steel. Eleventh century Viking swords were of a Damascus core with carbon steel cutting edges, but some were already being made of solid steel. And let’s not forget case hardening as used on arrowheads.
Q--If all the tool is is a rasp and therefore essentially made out of metal why is it so big? It would be too heavy and unwieldy to be used on bows.
A—I would suggest that the cutting part is metal attached to wooden top and handle. It appears to be silver because heraldic charges were in solid colors, red lions etc.
Q---If the tool is a rasp why is it not shaped as are files today, especially as files dating from the 14th C have been found and they are similar to the shape of those used today?:
A---I consider it more like a file than a rasp. It is shaped like float files today. Same cut. It would be used like a surform tool as another post suggested. 14th century tools were not all identical to each other
Q--If the tool is a rasp why attach the handle in such a difficult way, drilling through carbon steels is difficult, why not just make a handle as is done today and was done on the 14th C files?
A---The mediaeval version is mounted to be used like a surform tool or a plane, as is done today. It would be used to cut along the stave rather than across it. Punching a hole through white hot high carbon steel is not hard at all.
Q---If the tool is a rasp why go to the trouble of forging blade like teeth when it is far simpler to make rasp teeth by lifting small sections by hammering punches into the hot metal as is the way rasps are made today and have been made in the past.
A---See above. Viking era sword mounts were sometimes decorated with patterns in silver, copper, and brass wire inlaid in narrow undercut grooves very close to each other, the whole hammered flat completely covering the iron. A smith that could do that would have no problem cutting a float file with a flat chisel.
BTW; Some Mary Rose bows, at least those that I handled, have more than their share of prominent pins and knots.
Cheers,
Erik
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