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Understanding cane spine
gutpile:
Man thats funny...my cane arrows are spined at 60 to 75 lbs.......I shoot a 53 to 60 lb pull on my bows....foreshaft each arrow about 5 inches..points weigh around 90 to 115..all fly great...when I get under 55 is when they fly funny...over 75 also....so thats my range....gut
Mechslasher:
i don't know about funny ??? but from what you describe and i infer about your setup, your arrow spine should fall right in there for your bows. cane is very forgiving for being over spined, but doesn't handle being underspined very well.
gutpile:
Chris I just find it funny that modern man even primitive hunting modern man goes through all this hoopla and formulas to get his arrahs to fly and spine right..its suppose to simple not complicated...why make it that way.....just sayin...btw no way am I trying to offend anyone...gut
Mechslasher:
no prob on my part, just thought i had missed something. if the truth was known, i would bet the farm that primitive man dealt with the exact same "formulas." he just didn't just numbers like we can today. i would imagine he went much more by feel, which i guess is simpler. imo, to shoot arrows accurately he would have to understand something of the physics of flight. there is no way around the physics of making an arrow hit where you aim. we can "simplify" things to a certain point but an arrow is one of the most complicate projectiles ever invented. of course, primitive man would not have to take into account recurves, center shots, taper (if he only shot cane arrows), length, or point weight because all of these functions would pretty much stay the same. i will concede on these points as being simpler. all he would need is one arrow that hit where he aimed and just replicate it over and over. i also wouldn't think that many primitive men had a dozen bows to choose from for a particular hunt so all his arrows would have been made for one or maybe two bows at most. of course, i have been accused on many occasions of over thinking "things" so take what i say with a grain of salt. ;D
gutpile:
Chris..you hit the nail on the head..all he would need is one arrow that hit where he aimed and just replicate it over and over..actually this is what I did..I didn't go through any formulas..nor did I weigh my heads or foreshafts...I didn't even own a spine tester at the time......you can hand spine cane very easily as I am sure you are aware of....the one statement I do not agree with is...but an arrow is one of the most complicate projectiles ever invented. Only if you make it that way.....to me..it is one of the simplest..especially cane...it is already an arrow..you just have to straighten it....compared to making one from a wild rose shoot or red osier...I'll spend my time heating cane every time....all I am saying...and I am not picking on you.. why try to make something so easy, more complicated to understand...bullets and shotgun shells, are much more complicated IMO....but on second thought...I guess once you lay out a formula and every body can follow that formula, it is easier to some ,than trial and error....but trail and error is my middle name with a capital E...LOL....BTW...I love some of your cane pics...they are sweet..those self nocked with antler sure look time consuming too....
On another note...I never add a self nock to my cane..I try to lay them in a node but if they don't work out that way I just cut my groove and wrap with sinew and never have I had a cane split on me....knock on wood....never...have a great day bro..keep up the good work...
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