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sagitarius boemoru:
Loki
Scratch and abrasion where forged metal runs over yew.  There is quite a bow in england with silver penny glued over the scratched channel of the arrowpass.
Nevertheless, the post above implied that you can magically lenghten the drawlenght through drawing over the socket from some 28´´ to  32´´, which off course its not the case.
I didnt saw your bow and arrow, unless you post a picture how does the section looks like at full draw, we wont get anywhere.
On other hand I dont understand why somebody would cut the shafts too short (26´´-28)  and then tried to lenghten them by means of arrowhead socket  when oposite approach is better - having actually the shafts slightly overlenght gives better launch in case of unspinned military arrows.



MattE
"It is documented fact that people were shorter in the fourteenth century and even up to the seventeenth century, contrary to what you stated."

- no its a well known widespread misinformation. There is alot of oscilation in average height which corelates with some population dimnishing events, like black death or famines, but generally they were only slightly shorter than we and that even comparing with relativelly recent increase of average height. Depends on demographic chose of the sample. Yeomanry class was actually one of better grown people.

 I can ask a friend of mine (shes genetic scientist)  about the height of men in demographic area of longbowmen recruitment, if there is any record, but do expect average at least 177-8 cm. Average in 15. century over here does appear to be only slightly less than now. What we can read from complains of Ascham (or bischop Latimere) is actually that through famine and change of agriculture the overall physical fitness along with average height decreased in 16. century exactly corelating with decline of military use of heavy bow and its considered one of crucial factors.

"The heaviest bow at my draw that I could ever shoot decent was 80# and only for very few shots.I don't believe in supermen. There are none now and there wern't any during the days of the long bow. Very few men today can pull the weight bows that you would have us believe all archers shot in the days of the longbow."

- Well the fact that you cannot do that doesnt mean others cannot. You either are just weak as modern men are, or you dont have any grasp of proper technique for this kind of bows. They werent supermen, but they were required and were used to much higher physical strain daily than anybody today is used to. Every simple thing which makes your life simple and easy they did not have. If you wanted  water, you have to get a wooden bucket go to the well, crank other bucket, carry yours back to the house etc... today you can acomplish all this by one simple move of hand.

They were tough as nails and they were required to get a bow and two arrows at age of 6 and start to practice by law.


J.

Loki:

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Scratch and abrasion where forged metal runs over yew.
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Ahhh,my bows not made from Yew (one day...) and now you mention it the arrow strike area of my bow is covered in dents  ;D,but will this cause significant damage?
I like my dents,show's it's a well used Bow  ;D.
Just measured this arrow and it sneaks in at 32.7" with a type 1 head,i need to get my draw back that extra inch!

D. Tiller:

--- Quote from: sagitarius boemoru on May 07, 2007, 07:47:22 am ---  I really hate, when somebody who does not even occupate himself with the thing enters the discussion and starts to post things he read in first Osprey book he could put hands on or worse on some of popular internet sites.

Things like "Longbow was machinegun of its age"   - which they just take without thinking whatever the paralel really fits or why a british actor writing a book on longbow uses such a paraphrase. Or for change thinking about usage of machine gun (which is quite capable of aimed fire at individual targets.)

We should be criticall. We should admit that once dealing with a special field like e.g. science, everybodys voice just dont have the same weight.
This is not elitism in bad sense of the word.
Its normal.
A person which never shot a warbow, which didnt ever smithed bodkin or fired it upon hard target is ultimatelly less qualified than say Simon Stanley.

To "hear everybodys voice" is internet (e.g.wikipedia) dissease.

It hurts reall work or the research.


(But again nothing againts person which comes to educate himself- that is alright) .

Jaro


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First of all Jaro you have no idea who the people are here on this board or what their background is. Many of the people here have been building bows and studying them for many years and have a load of background doing so. Second you have no idea what our backgrounds are and what type of reading we have done.  So please keep your opinions of others to yourself! All of us here have come to talk and discuss this fascinating subject and learn how to make these bows with out being insulted or belittled. Some have no experience and would like to find out more about warbows and bows in general in a pollite, civilized and friendly environment. In the end you may have done some research and building of these bows but that does not make you an expert or the most knowledgable person on them. You may actually learn something from the others who participate on this site. I know I have!

ratty:

--- Quote from: sagitarius boemoru on May 07, 2007, 06:55:18 am ---Ratty - are you that person who tried to impress me on english warbow forum with "english bows meeting their match against composite bows on crusades  blabble"? (And eventuelly pissed me off enough to leave?)

Anyway - its nice you have posted that picture of arrowehads, but an arrow is only drawn to where the shaft ends (meets the socket of arrowhead). You dont pull it over the socket because it ultimatelly damages the bow much. Also I cannot see how an english arrow head could have 4´´ long paralel socket, which would lenghten 28´´ arrowshaft to drawable 32´´.
Think before you post anything.



Jaro

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wow jaro WHY are you so rude? .and insist you are always right in the face of your own uncertain evidence?

all is speculation by you, and me,

and please stop insulting people.


ps. i do not believe you are the leading authority on the English warbow.

until this is proven i shall keep an open mind to what is correct and what isnt.

I know many bowyers with different opinions as to equipment found on the MR , but the main difference between you and them, is they can talk and discuss without insulting and forcing there opinions on eachother.


pps. im not posting this to start a fight. its my opinion and i think quite a few other people here.

Dane:
Yikes, a war is brewing here? I do hope not. PA is an awesome forum of kindred spirits, and I hope that spirit continues everywhere on the boards.

It seems to me there is a religion of sorts of true believers within the warbow subculture.

It also seems to me that to appreciate any kind of historic artifact, you have to understand as much as you can about the culture it came out of. In the case of medieval England, the driving force for most if not all of society's classes was Christianity in a time when Paganism was not far gone. The manorial system, the church, the free classes and those bound in service to the manorial system were one small facet of that world, and it is a world we can't possibly really put ourselves into, as much as we might try. We can only gaze through many centuries for glimmers.

And last, a war bow is a military weapon, and having been a soldier would help one understand the role of the common foot soldier a bit, no matter what period or culture he lived in. Not necessary to have fun with any style of bow, but a bit more to add to the appreciation of it all (and glimpse the horror of warfare, too).

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