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We nead a Chainmail penetration test!
sagitarius boemoru:
When testing anything with warbows, you have to start with what we know and extrapolate from that and not the other way.
Chris - in any hypotetical cause it has to be yew, since all bows of interest were yew. Test with anything else is not conclusive. There was no Ipe in europe in 14. century.
Whitewood bow would be O.K. though not a single one survived and I m inclined to believe, they did not looked the same as their yew counterparts.
J.
sagitarius boemoru:
Since I m evil as usually, I ll ask a different question.
What is objective not that of the test, but the one upon which you decide that the setup is correct or not?
Ultimatelly 1/2´´ shaft shot from 75# is lazy bitch, but I m certain it will pierce chainmail. Then....What will actually be conclusive.
J.
Len:
Show me the evidence of Romans wearing padded armour or Vikings/Saxons for that matter and as for the crusaders walking thru arrows they were facing lighter arrows then English archers used. The stone carving is the earlist evidence of a padded garment I've seen but is still 12th C. During the 111 crusade Richard put felt or padded garments over his mens armour to stop arrows but this was late 12th C. and once again against lighter arrows.
Len:
And by the way dont quote the guy who withstood 100 blows as you said he was wearing a fox fur coat over his maille.
sagitarius boemoru:
"Show me the evidence of Romans wearing padded armour"
- the word "subarmalis" is latin. Read Renatus or any other military writer of roman age.
http://www.legionxxiv.org/lrgsubmaralis/
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Subarmalis
"or Vikings/Saxons for that matter"
- Viking warfare is directly conected to late roman iron age. Viking sword is Spatha for the sake! There is again written account on "moose hide jackets" in Heimskringla.
"and as for the crusaders walking thru arrows they were facing lighter arrows then English archers used. "
- NON SEQUITUR. Doesnt matter how heavy were the arrows. I know they were light, I even did not considered it to be important.
one nice logical fallacy.
If the arrow is through chainmail enough to stick so that it resembles hedgehog spike and its your body, not padded garment its sticking out, you wont be marching comfortably and certainly not for long.
Go, find Kosmas chronicle. This high ranked monk left behind several description of fights with spectacular death of the hero in the arrowstorm. (Detrisek of Buzu)
The description again indirectly points out use of chainmail with some kind of thick undergrament.
It does not need to be "aketon" as the price of any fabric was still high in early medieval age, but it can be thick tunic or coat made of felt (processed wool).
"And by the way dont quote the guy who withstood 100 blows as you said he was wearing a fox fur coat over his maille."
-He wore fox fur coat, because the battle took a place on frozen river. It is written, that mortality on wounds was extremelly high as the wounded froze to death before any help could be brought to them. Fox fur has about protective value as early morning mist when it comes to sharp edged weapons such as swords. Its evident that he used coat because he was cold, not as aditionall protection over mail.
What I m doing here. Longbowman advocating armour....
Your style of writing points out a kid (And by the way), I was recently asked by admin not to chew our 12 years old memebers..But I cannot help it, I m evil person.
J.
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