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DanaM:
Very well said Justin. I'm one of the new guys been on here for about six months. Justin is right on all counts.about the friendly giving folks
on this forum. I've been on the recieving end of not only good advice but also a few gifts as well. Without these guys I'd still be making fugly
bows. Also ya can't beat their sense of humor and the good natured ribbing that takes place. All in all PA runs the best forum that I have seen.
The Global Moderators do a awesome job of keeping us rowdies in line. As to the Spirit thing each to their own and if ya wanna pee on yer bow
go right ahead just don't expect folks to accept this practice. Also I believe one of the rules is no religion allowed and a good rule it is as we all know
that differences in Religion is always trouble, look at the world we live in and its easy to see the truth of this. One last thing Richard Longbow needs to lighten up
a bit, having a thick skin is unhealthy and if ya can't laugh at yourself who can you laugh at?

Just My Opinion

Dana

Hillbilly:

--- Quote ---The proof is in owning and shooting one of his bows, which obviously none of the critics and jokesters here have done. And, as is the case with many Native Americans, his is a spiritual relationship with the natural world and materials in it.
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--- Quote ---But apparently a bowyer has to be part of some kind of Good Ol' Boys Club here to be taken seriously, or to be respected.
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Squirrel, sounds like you're the one who is on the attack here. First of all, I have nothing but respect for spirituality, I can be spiritual myself in my own way, but as has been mentioned, religion is not a topic for discussion. As for the "good ol' boys' club", I think you very much misunderstood the last discussion and saw it as a personal attack, which it wasn't. You are the one calling us all a bunch of critics and jokesters. As I said before, Longbow obviously makes some very good looking, well crafted bows. The reason why most people seemed to be critical of him was because he was making bows with huge amounts of set and claiming that it improved the performance, or that the performance of his bows was magically enhanced beyond the laws of physics by his mystical treatment of them.[/b] I'm not above believing in "good medicine" myself, but if I or anyone else posted a bow on here with 5" of set and claimed that the cast was improved over one without any, I would expect to be called out, too. Not because of a good ol' boy mentality, but because the people here have made thousands of bows, know what works (and what doesn't) through much, much, experimentation and testing and shooting all kinds of bows. My own bows aren't much to look at or shoot, but there are some people on here whose bows hold world records for flight shooting, which is the ultimate measure of a bows cast with all the BS stripped away. If you'll look around a bit, I think you can disprove the good ol' boys club  statement pretty easily. There is one excellent bow on this page by a first-time poster that is full of good medicine and spirituality, and I have seen nothing but positive comments about it, and it probably stands a good chance of winning BOM this month.

Dane:
These guys are right, this is the most open, welcoming, and generous community in every sense of the word. I was accepted immediately, and will continue to gain far more than I can give back, Squirril. I feel a deep kinship with the folks here from all over the world, because of our shared interest in the ancient craft of archery.

As for spirituality, I haven't set foot in a church in decades (aside from funerals), and I feel strongly the myseries of nature and the materials I work with, on a number of levels, so using Native American spirituality as some sort of shield or vague explanation for (plug in your thing here) doesn't go far with me.

Spend some time here, Squirril. It's pretty nice, really.

Traxx:
Ok,Ill go one further.Native culture,and religion,were all but wiped out,by our US govt,untill the late 70's.Thats 1970's.It was illegal,for NDN people to practice their ways,and many were imprisoned and killed for such beliefs and actions.Now,you have every tom dick n harry New age culture vulture,in the country,spoutin NDN this,and NDN that.Pay at the Door,inipi cerimonies,and Sundances,with self appointed Wicasa wakans,as advisors.Native people,are flat sick of it and insulted.So when a person comes on to a website,or other forms of public media,,and claims are made,especially,to direct tribal affiliation,they can expect to have their credability checked.If the person,is on the level,then they have no worries,but if not,there are people who have organised a group,that check into these people and their claims.Law siuts are being filed,On the basis of identity theft.Many Nations have rights to their tribal names and customs,and dont take it lightly,that these are used by others,especially,if used for any kind of financial gain.

Tom B:
I would like to piss on some of my bows if it would improve them. ;D #2 maybe?Nah.I hope to get the new issue soon. See what the hub-bub is all about. BUT , MUCH SET = DOG.Tom B
looking foward to hickory,i'll make coffee,bring spoons.

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