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8.9 earthquake in Japan
Jesse:
I dont think its scary Pat. I think its exciting. ;D Also I dont believe the earth is billions of years old. Along with millions of people and thousands of scientists I believe the earth is around 10,000 years old.
Evolutionist Frederic B. Jueneman declres. The age of our globe is presently thought to be some 4.5 billion years, based on radiodecay rates of uranium and thorium. Such “confirmation” may be short-lived, as nature is not to be discovered quite so easily. There has been in recent years the horrible realization that radiodecay rates are not as constant as previously thought, nor are they immune to environmental influences. And this could mean that the atomic clocks are reset during some global disaster, and events which brought the Mesozoic [age] to a close may not be 65 million years ago, but rather, within the age and memory of man.
# Studies on submarine basaltic rocks from Hawaii, known to have formed less than two hundred years ago, when dated by the potassium-argon method, yielded ages from 160 million to almost three billion years (Funkhouser and Naughton ).
# The shells of living mollusks have been dated at up to 2,300 years old (Keith and Anderson.
# Freshly-killed seals have been dated at up to 1,300 years, and mummified seals, dead only about thirty years, have yielded dates as high as 4,600 years (Dort
It would be well to remember this: today’s science is tomorrow’s superstition. According to recent articles in various science journals, some astronomers are now saying that the standard techniques employed in measuring the age of the universe are significantly less accurate than new estimates based upon “compelling evidence” coming in from the Hubble Space Telescope. These findings appear to “indicate that the Universe is younger than its oldest stars, an apparent impossibility that will force a re-examination of our Universe model and how stellar ages are measured” (Jacoby .
Grunt:
I don't think earth changes will happen all at once. I think the changes will be gradual. I think food and fuel and clean water will be a lot more expensive. I remember traveling in South America in the 70's and they rationed electricity. I will probably happen here. My dad said during WW11 everyone had a "Victory" garden. I think we will need to do that again. Hopefully we will be able to provide a safe world for the kids.
iowabow:
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I always fine this discussion interesting about the collapsing of a civilization. There seems to be some real concerns and lessons that can be learned from the past. For example some pre-Columbian cultures fell apart because they consumed too many trees. There are examples of farming failure related to irrigation. The list can go on and on. Anyway just for fun I read "the stand" interesting story. It kinda makes you wonder what if? I think food will be a real concern in the future without the connection to disaster, oil shortages will be an issue based on rate of consumption without a cosmic event, there has been and will likely be an illness related disaster in the future.
Most of the time a when a collapse occurs it happens over an extended period of time and humans adapt.
Just think how much knowledge we now we have related to the past. If a bad event on a large scale occurred people will fall back on what they know. People will naturally group together and form local governments. People will lean toward a civilized structure because they want a safe environment for their children and grandchildren. I believe this because the greatest fear for a social group is the "other". People have banded together to form governments/communities to support each other and protect themselves from domestic and foreign threats. I don’t believe this system repeated by human for thousands of years will be abandoned. But you can be sure that religion and science will both play a part in repairing and rebuilding nations in the event of a global disaster of any kind.
I know that if a disaster happens I won’t be hitting rocks together! There are easier ways of doing things.
HatchA:
Pat and Sailor... I agree 100% about people living in these areas of bad natural happenings - Tsunami hits, people morn the losses, people rebuyild and come up with "early warning systems" to give them some sort of "preparation" for then next eventuallity... I think "if shit like this keeps happening, why don't you MOVE!!!???"
But then again... where would they move to?
The economic ramefications of entire nations of people looking for a "new home" are massive! There's a lot of countries on this planet that have the spacial capacity to allow for massive population increases - but the infrastructures just aren't there and the cost of putting them in place (at current level of capilism/commercialism) are astronomical!!
On a topic more related to the original post -
There's a guy in the U.S. who's job for the last 35 years has been to go into work every day, fire a laser at a bank of reflectors on the moon and wait for the laser to come back to him.
Every day... go to work... shoot laser... wait for it to come back... record the details.
After 35 years of doing this, he's able to compare the records from today against the 35 year old ones and he's now able to say that the beam takes 2 seconds more to come back now than it did when he first started doing it. The moon is moving further away from the planet Earth.
Mankind as a species has been damming up rivers and trying to control the natural run of things. The tides are controlled by the moon's gravitational pull on the water - maybe our stockpiling of rivers behind massive concrete walls has, over time, been affecting the equilibrium betwen the Earth and moon's gravitational relationship...
Badger:
Japan is not being honest about the nuclear reactor,truth is once past the point of no return the shit simply hits the fan and nothing can stop it. I imagine about 500 square miles of Japan will soon be declared a wasteland off limits.
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