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WHAT IS A "WAR ARROW"
Loki:
That makes sence Simon,does anyone make those type of Arrows? they sound tricky,i have enough trouble trying cut the insert groove straight ;D.
--- Quote ---Also would these archers need a heavy head? given the nature of sea warfare compared to land based fighting.
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I read somwhere that only a few of the Bows on the wreck were for naval warfare (the big square handled ones), Steve told me the ones locked in the chest were for land campaigns so i presume the majority of the arrows were for those Bows,i maybe wrong though ;D.
Lloyd:
--- Quote from: outcaste on June 06, 2007, 04:58:33 pm ---Whilst we are discusing war arrows do any of you guys have any thoughts on the weight. There is an opinon at the moment that war arrows were over 75grams. I have no doubt of this when it comes to heavy plate cutting designs but if we look to the MR which many of us site when debating all thing ELB the majority of shafts are made of Pop and are bobtailed. From experience it is hard to
make the weight (75grams+) with a that design unless you have a very heavy head! Also would these archers need a heavy head? given the nature of sea warfare compared to land based fighting.
Any thoughts
Outcaste
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I think once you accept 1/2" hardwood shafts as your basic arrow material 1000 grain arrows will be fairly common.
I have two shafts made recently with the same machined head, the same length and the same feathers. One is a poplar bobtail and the other is ash that's tapered for the last 12 inches. These two arrows weigh within 3 grams of each other (73-76 grams) and that really surprised me. I expected the poplar to be a lot lighter especially being tapered for the whole length of the shaft. I've made several arrows now that meet the spec for the John Holder Challenge arrows and had them come out from the high 60 gram range to well over 100 grams. All of them 1/2 poplar or ash and tapered for at least 12 inches to the nock. I recently had a 36" ash shaft weigh almost 1700 grains before I ever did anything to it. After weighing it the first thing I did was remove about 300 grains, then barrel taper the sucker. It now weighs 1280 grains fletched and finished without a point. I'm tempted to put a 700 grain bodkin I have on it just to scare people with a 2000 grain arrow but I'd need a whole yew tree just to get it air born.
bobnewboy:
SimonUK said:
"Someone on the old warbow forum showed a picture of what these nocks probably are. It was similar to the way a hardwood footing is placed in the front of an arrow, but in this case a wedge of horn was inserted into a V shaped slit at the string end. So the last few cm of the arrow was made purely of horn with a nock cut into it for the string."
..and Outcaste answered:
"That makes sence Simon,does anyone make those type of Arrows? they sound tricky,i have enough trouble trying cut the insert groove straight"
I have seen some made by Chris Boyton with buffalo horn dowel, although he generally uses hardwood (sometimes two different, contrasting woods on the same insert!) rather than horn for the nock inserts. He made a very clever jig which holds the shaft flat under a bandsaw, and also angles the cut exactly by positioning the jig against the ripfence. Inverting the arrow and jig allows for perfect mirror orientation of the angled cuts. The results are just beautiful, but too much work for field shooting, which is my usual fare. I do however shoot horn slice inserted self nocks...
I have made some similar hardwood inserts and used them for repairing self-nocked arrows, whcih as worked well so far - I just dont want to chuck away an otherwise fine arrow because the nock got shot off! I have also bought some buffalo horn dowels (and other stuff) from this place:
"""PM SimonUK for the link"""
...you can generally get three nock inserts from a 100mm length horn dowel.
//Bob
outcaste:
--- Quote from: bobnewboy on June 07, 2007, 07:42:10 am ---SimonUK said:
"Someone on the old warbow forum showed a picture of what these nocks probably are. It was similar to the way a hardwood footing is placed in the front of an arrow, but in this case a wedge of horn was inserted into a V shaped slit at the string end. So the last few cm of the arrow was made purely of horn with a nock cut into it for the string."
..and Outcaste answered:
"That makes sence Simon,does anyone make those type of Arrows? they sound tricky,i have enough trouble trying cut the insert groove straight"
I have seen some made by Chris Boyton with buffalo horn dowel, although he generally uses hardwood (sometimes two different, contrasting woods on the same insert!) rather than horn for the nock inserts. He made a very clever jig which holds the shaft flat under a bandsaw, and also angles the cut exactly by positioning the jig against the ripfence. Inverting the arrow and jig allows for perfect mirror orientation of the angled cuts. The results are just beautiful, but too much work for field shooting, which is my usual fare. I do however shoot horn slice inserted self nocks...
I have made some similar hardwood inserts and used them for repairing self-nocked arrows, whcih as worked well so far - I just dont want to chuck away an otherwise fine arrow because the nock got shot off! I have also bought some buffalo horn dowels (and other stuff) from this place:
http://www.highlandhorn.co.uk/shop.asp?type=12
...you can generally get three nock inserts from a 100mm length horn dowel.
//Bob
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Don't think this was me.
Outcaste
bobnewboy:
OK, my mistake, Loki said...... etc
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