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adb:
Steve,
Your tiller looks OK... you might want to get the tips coming around more. You're bending a lot right out of the fades. If you want a bendy handle ELB, get it to bend in a completely circular arc. A big C, right through the handle.

Dan Perry:
Steve,

Can you get your hands on some eastern red cedar?  You can make a light longbow wide enough and thick enough to be stable. it is thick enough that it makes tillering easier. I back it with hickory about 1/16 thick or a few 1/1000" more.  Sweet bows!  Use all heart wood, and a nice white hickory back.  They are B E A utiful! ;)

Dan

Badger:
ab, read the above posts, Ther bow has allready failed in that photo, I was just showing why it failed, I kept the handle stiff intentionaly trying to push it a bit. Maybe I shouldnt post the failed experiemnts anymore LOL. Lots of times I like to post stuff that doesnt work out and then talk about why it didn't work. If all the posts aren't read it just looks like a badly tillered bow being posted. This bow was actually a very fast very good shooter until pushed past its limits where it chrysaled and hinged the limbs. If I were to have gotten the center wood working more it might not have been quite as fast but it wouldnt have chysaled either. or I could have made it a tad wider and just got it working a little closer to the handle, it basically missed its target draw length by 2". So any number of small changes could have corrected that. Steve

Justin Snyder:

--- Quote from: D. Tiller on June 19, 2007, 03:00:31 pm ---Nice looking bow badger. Only comment I could make is that it looks a bit stiff in the outer limbs. You may be able to get a few more fps. getting them to bend a bit more.

David T

--- End quote ---
David, Did you read it before you posted.  He told you there were frets and hinges in the inside limbs?  That is why the outside is bending less.

Steve, Please continue to post the ones that don't work out.  I think they serve two major purposes.
1 They teach. Like you said, not only you can learn from them.
2 It eliminates the misconception that new guys get that they are the only ones that have problems.  Sometimes the best bowyers have bows that don't work out.  Justin

D. Tiller:
Chill Justin!  ;D

Looking at the failure can tell you why it failed. In this case it could be attributed to the tiller. A bit more bending in the outer limbs would relieve the stresses on the inner limbs. ELB's that bend throughout their length in Compass rose safly store energy with this narrow width to depth dimension by bending in a full arc where a stiff handle would not at longer draw lengths of 30 or more inches. I ran into the same problems with some of the composite experiments I ran myself. I think the stiff handle section is great for draw lengths up to 28" in Victorian style ELB but when you get to longer draw lengths of 30 or more inches the best bet is a Warbow design in compass rose fashion to keep it from failing.

David T.

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