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penetration with stone points
Hillbilly:
--- Quote ---If I got some good quality stone points, 7/8" wide, sharp, do you think, for deer........?
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Oh, definitely. Good quality sharp stone points are better than steel points for hunting, despite what the steel broadhead manufacturers union would have you believe. They get better penetration (proven in several tests), and if they hit a bone and the tip snaps, the newly broken edge is razor sharp. I shot a groundhog with a big, not-especially-sharp stone point last year, and it opened a hole through it that looked like I had shot it with a 7mm mag, it never knew what hit it. for deer-sized game, just make sure they're sharp, smooth with no big lumps, and hafted well.
mullet:
I'm with Hillbilly,except if you can't get your points sharp ,try using just a spalled off flake of obsidian without touching up the edge.I wouldn't hesitate to use it on a deer or turkey.But a hog is a whole different ballgame.After the hunt in June for hogs I've changed my mine about low weight bows and stone points on foreshafts.When I go back in December I'll be shooting 70#,and thin points weighing 120 to 140 3 1/4" long x 1 1/4" wide.I want every shot to be a pass through.
D. Tiller:
Suggestion, when making the stone points make the bulb of percusion the tip of the arrow point.
To sharpen raise the edge, then abraid and then presureflake from the raised edge. Do this in an up and down pattern from one side to the next. Makes a supper sharp edge. I was tought this by Steve Alleley. Makes a super sharp wavy edge!
D. Tiller
duffontap:
Hillbilly,
I'm not disagreeing with you, but from what I've read those test have been performed with trade points vs. ultra-sharp, perfect glass points (not flint) into soft tissue. If those are the tests you're referring to, I'm not sure that such test conditions provide proof that stone points are better big game points.
Properly powered steel points on heavy arrows can chop through two elk or moose ribs and bury into a tree on the other side. The way I see it is that even if steel points require bigger bows and arrows to achieve equal penetration, they offer more of a guarantee that the pass-through job will get done whether there is a rib shot or two ribs shot, or just soft tissue. I think that's the main reason why most well-known traditional archers (from Pope to Hill to the current guys) have gone with 60-80 lb. bows, heavy arrows and steel points.
If there were truly compelling proof for the superiority of stone points for big game hunting, I would think trophy hunters would be demanding stone points instead of the steel that is almost universally-favored. Although, I love the idea of there being a conspiracy perpetuated by the Wensel twins! :D Ha, ha. Anyway, I love the tradition of stone points and I am jealous of those of you who can knap, but I'm not yet convinced of the 'fact' that stone points are better big-game heads. (Open-minded though).
J. D.
mullet:
J.D.,There was a show on the Discovery Channel not long ago about the cutting ability of Obsidian versus steel.It showed microscopic comparison of cuts made with each on artificial skin used by plastic surgeons for training.Stone made cleaner cuts hands down.The plastic surgeon said he would rather use obsidian the surgical steel.
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