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Unsucessful sticks and stones...
turtle:
Its legal here in Ohio to use a dog to track wounded deer as long as it is on a leash. Been thinking of getting a dog and training it as i Dont know of anyone around that has one trained.
armymedic.2:
If u know a farmer cbicken blood trails pretty well. Treat at the end. And use a chest harness like on the police dogs.
billy:
HEy Lowell,
Sorry to hear you had bad luck this year shooting stone. I read your post and wanted to make a suggestion: shoot smaller, lighter stone points. I've made stone points for bowhunters who wanted 125 grain points and they are HUGE. They look more like spear points and I think that unless you have a powerful bow (60 lbs or so) then penetration will suffer. The points I shoot deer with are a good bit smaller and lighter than the 2-blade steel points people shoot nowadays. And I've never had any penetration problems with them. I killed a doe 2 years ago with a very thin point I made out of a small flake of Novaculite and that point probably weighed 20 grains. But it sliced thru both lungs and shattered the rib on the far side. I think prehistoric people used smaller stone points for the same reason. Also if you're shooting a 46 lb bow and your arrows weigh 400 grains, I think you would have more success with smaller stone points. Just my 2 cents....
lowell:
Thanks for the advise billy... think I will re-group and get prepared better for next year!!! And prepared it what is needed to hunt primitive!!!!!!!
Think I'll finish this year with steel!!
Ryan_Gill_HuntPrimitive:
I had some hiccups for a while too until I fund what worked reliably for me. Smaller points on a heavy arrow have given me much better results. I shoot roughly 60# bows 550-650gr arrows with very sharp serrated stone points that are about 1" wide x 1.5 - 1.75 long and only 50-80 grains. I also only take shots 12 yards and under even though I shoot well out to 20. From what I have found, a marginal shot with steel can still be a good shot, but a marginal shot with stone is usually a bad shot.. basically saying, I want a double lung\heart shot on every single deer without question, or I wont release the arrow. By taking the close shots with the setup listed above, I have gotten out both sides and had a few complete pass through's on pretty much every deer I have shot. Yes you are 100% right, shooting stone is not the same as shooting steel points. I have been trying to say that for a long time..lol You do very well hunting from what I have seen in the past and I have no doubt that you will come up with a set up that works really well for you.
you are not a knapper right? If you want, I'd gladly send you a few of the points I use. You could try those out and see if they help any. not like I make the "best" points around or anything, but mine are definitely sharp and sized for killing deer from a bow. Also check out this video about mounting the points. I am not sure how you do it, but tapering into the point like I show has helped me out a lot in penetration. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_-19LW8jq0
but whatever you do, don't sweat it. If it was easy everyone would do it. finish out with steel and hit it again when you feel confident again. Send me a Pm if you want and I will tell you a story..lol
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