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Wylden Freeborne:
Folk are certainly welcome to opinions, and I place great stock in an informed one. However, only three people eon this forum have been to Tipi Village, and none of them were commenting on it in this thread until I did. Now, on the blog. It is not my blog and, like all other issues with our village, it is an autonomous venture by one family that is not my family. I do not agree with everything that is stated in those writings, nor do I have to, as each person that holds the stick can certainly say what they will, but it will bring about effect when we do speak. I am coming off as angry in these replies, which I am a little, but mostly just hurt, I had NOTHING to do with posting the threads about tipi village that are being replied to with such negativity, and I log on to see this entire trash talking thread about my home village. Now, I personally do not talk badly about anybody's way of life on this forum, no matter how absolutely ridiculous I may find it. Your life is your choice. So, unless every other person on this thread is inviting a complete and utter roast of your life-way, I suggest we keep it bows and primitive skills and leave the trash talking about people's life-ways for another site. Just a suggestion.

SLIMBOB:
Wylden.  I can only speak to my intent in the above comments and not others.  I don't know you except through your posts.  I find what you are doing interesting to say the least and I for one have no problem with the lifestyle you've chosen.  Follow your own path as you see fit.  Some will see your choice as liberating, others will see it as crazy.  This makes your choices no different than anybody else's "craziness".  Open yourself up to public scrutiny and opinions will run the gambit, so what.  My comment was in response the author of the blog's negativity about my way of life.  Dissing the values that I hold dear, and wishing to replace those values, my values, with ones of his own choosing.  You are free to do as you wish as am I, because we live within a system that allows us that freedom and I will jealously guard that system which allows you and your family to live in the manner you've chosen.  I enjoy your posts.

PEARL DRUMS:
That's where I am. Live your way and Ill live mine, but don't tell me mine is wrong. And don't come asking for my money when your moneyless world stops working, that would include health care costs that will arise. Its your choice, go with it and have fun.

Dharma:
Wylden,

  I grew up in a household where an alternative lifestyle was being practiced, so I am pretty aware of living in non-Western Civilization environments. While it gave me a much valued outlook on many things, it was far from perfect and certainly wasn't a utopia. There's a lot of "wild cards" out there my parents didn't think about and so you yourself might wish to practice deep looking for yourself. You can certainly roast what you perceive to be my beliefs, but I am pretty sure you'll be incorrect in your assumptions.

   Just to throw this out there, I served in the 101st Airborne and defended your freedom to do what you're doing. I paid a pretty heavy price for it and continue to pay decades later. I get to pay for it for the rest of my life. But there's a flip side to that coin. I paid for my own freedom and that includes the right to speak my mind. I paid the full karmic price. That's not to say a vet is entitled to "more" freedoms or so forth, because we are all equal. I'm just saying your freedom to do what you do came at a heavy price to those of us who defended it. Just be aware the society the blog tends to lampoon was defended at great cost to people who stepped forward to do so.

   I applaud your tipi village, just to be clear. I think you have some great ideas. I myself am tied to the land by tribal beliefs regarding certain Spirits. It isn't something I question, being traditional. I hold water sacred, for example, and cannot do certain things regarding natural sites or resources. Having said that, there's another flip side to that coin. My people were very warlike and not all of our beliefs were good. We lived off the land before the Europeans came, but we also raided and warred on neighboring tribes. Our bows were not just for hunting, they were weapons of war. So even living off the land has its problems sooner or later.

  Just be aware that our society has serious problems, yes. But that doesn't absolve the society you're trying to create of problems that can manifest.

Weylin:
I'd like to throw my two-cents in here. I don't have a magic bullet comment that resolves all of these different world views but I'll try to share some of my half-baked thoughts.

First off, I've spent a week staying in Wylden's tipi and being a part of his community there. It is a beautiful place with wholesome, hard working and good-hearted people trying to make a life for themselves and for their children.

I think there is a misunderstanding about our liberty to make "out of the box choices" in our culture. We pat ourselves on the back for being so free and that if people want to they can choose this way of life if they want. They fact is that people can't really make a choice to live in a primitive, land based fashion in this country. Look at Gill's post on the other thread. It's essentially illegal to live off the grid almost everywhere. Even if you are rich enough to buy yourself a huge piece of property way out in the middle of no-where you are still required to basically live in a house with running water, sewage and electricity. He said you couldn't even choose to forgo AC in Florida! That's definitely not freedom to choose. That's government telling you exactly how to live. In the case of the tipi village, even if they had raised the money to buy the land a rich neighbor hired a lawyer who basically had the county laws rewritten to specifically outlaw living in a tipi. That is not a free society.

our modern American culture lives in a paradigm that has very specific views on how land a resources are used, how people are controlled, what constitutes "good work ethic", how we get our food, etc, etc. This paradigm is shared by almost all modern, civilized countries in a broad sense. Some of the details are different, but at the heart they all operate on basically the same premises. For the sake of this discussion I think it's pretty fair to lump them all together. And by that I mean that our modern, global, industrial culture cannot exist alongside land-based living. In every corner of the world civilized culture has relentlessly dismantled land-based cultures. It cannot abide having people nearby that interact with the land in a totally different way. Civilization will always seek to destroy and/or subvert land based people.


--- Quote from: Dharma on December 09, 2013, 02:17:10 am --- If everyone wanted to live in a tipi, every piece of the pristine land you love would be dotted with tipis and all the groundwater contaminated by a myriad of pit latrines. All the game hunted out. All the trees cut down for firewood. Just saying your vision works for you, but it isn't a viable solution for the planet.

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I'm pretty sure no one's saying that everybody should do anything. The cold hard truth is that 7 billion people can't really do anything to live sustainably. In my opinion it seems abundantly clear that we can't keep doing what we're doing and have a great future. The train may feel like it's  chuggin' along but that doesn't mean that there's not a cliff ahead. I don't think it's fair to say that just becuase something's not a viable solution for the entire plaent than it has no value. If that was the argument then nothing would pass the test, least of all our opulent lifestyle in the U.S.

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