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stone points and elk
Ryan_Gill_HuntPrimitive:
All these points have killed and recovered Deer or hogs. Despite the number that I have killed, the ones that I have lost are the ones that taught me the most. My bows are all mid 50's - 60# bows, 500-600 grain cane arrows and each point is no more than 100 grains and most of them are in the 80 range. They all have (or had) serrations that were scary sharp. The things that have hurt me the most on penetration are too big of points, too blunt of points, too light of arrow, too dull or smooth edged points. I have found that serrations have helped more than hurt. If the serrations are really sharp, they wont hurt penetration. The serrations really help when it comes to snagging and ripping lung tissue to ribbons. When it comes to a big elk, I'd choose the same size points as for whitetails, maybe even a touch smaller. I typically get out both sides of deer and often times get total pass throughs, so I'd really be trying to get as much penetration as possible on an elk. You might be able to get out both sides of an elk if you miss a rib, but even deer ribs can slow and deflect an arrow enough to hurt penetration, so I'd imagine that problem would be compounded on a big elk rib. the points sound light, but stone is not nearly as dense as steel. Choose measured dimensions over weight. Make up the weight in your arrow and leave you points small 7/8 -1 " wide and 2- 2.5" long and as sharp as a brand new, carpenters saw blade. also make sure the transition is tapered and smoothed to perfection, no hang ups on the transition. Nothing is worse than watching an animal run off with your arrow with about 2 inches of penetration. If I personally was going after elk, I'd be shooting a 60# bow 600gr arrows +/- and 80-90 grain points that are ridiculously sharp and I'd make sure my arrows fly without a single wobble.
Bryce:
Using my 60# yew selfbow and those 135grn points.they came in around 610grns total. At 25-30 yards the arrow busted through the first rib and was lodged half way in on the rib on the other side. And snapped the point off flush with the bone. I was in absolute awe at how well the stone worked.
Had to dig the tip out :/ kind of a pain. But I got the rest of it:)
Bryce:
--- Quote from: blacktail on March 06, 2014, 12:49:47 am ---THANK YOU SO MUCH..now i know i am on the right track...the points i started to make are in the style that bryce is showing...hey joe..bare with me on this..BUT,you said.... as long as the point weight dont over power the arrow...does this mean NOT being to heavy....for some reason i all ways feel that stone points are way to light...maybe that is just me and i need to play with them more...thanks for the info...john
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The more weight you add to the front of the arrow the lighter your dynamic spine becomes in the arrow. For instance take a shaft that 60-65 put a 125grn point. Might shoot fine for your bow. Add a 160grn. Or anything heavier it changes the spine of you arrow and will make it wobble in flight and make the shaft under spine for that given setup.
Get a copy of Greg asbells book vol. 1&2 very good stuff. He's done multiple testing in arrow flight and penetration.
Wolf Watcher:
Bryce: Now that was what I was trying say!
Bryce:
--- Quote from: Wolf Watcher on March 06, 2014, 11:31:23 pm ---Bryce: Now that was what I was trying say!
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Lol I had a feeling that's what you were trying to get across :)
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