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JW_Halverson:

--- Quote from: Dharma on August 04, 2014, 11:58:03 am ---"Hi, I'm Otzi! Being diagnosed with a possible heart disease came as a real blow to me. I had always tried to manage my stress levels, maintain an active lifestyle, and eat a healthy, balanced diet. Yet, my village shaman looked into the ashes of his fire and saw that I had the genetic traits of heart disease. I was deeply concerned. How could I enjoy my quality of life with such a risk? But, luckily for me, there was Oakgallcor, the groundbreaking new heart medicine to manage today's rising risks from heart disease. Oakgallcor fights heart disease and allows me to live life to the fullest, free from anxiety and worry. I know what you're thinking: "How can a tiny little pill work such wonders?" Well, I used to think the same thing. But then I tried it and noticed a measureable difference in my life. Once again, I can enjoy burnt barley pancakes and wild grass seed gruel without concerns about what they might be doing to my arteries. Ask your village shaman if Oakgallcor is right for you."

"Ask your village shaman about Oakgallcor. Side effects may include severe nausea, explosive flatulence, frequent urination, a desire to walk about in blizzards, pelvic inflammation, blinding headaches, and being shot by arrows from rival tribes or even your own."

--- End quote ---

Now that was funny. 

And for those pesky "performance" problems, see Alice. 

Dharma:
Most people dying of heart disease depends on where they are. Some Asian countries never had heart disease until they began to adopt a more Western diet. And the "Western" diet really isn't traditional, either. If there are genetic predispositions towards heart disease, it's probably Nature's way to culling the herd since we don't have any predators that chase us.

   The traditional Asian diet was rice, fish, and a lot of vegetables. The traditional and ancient Indo-European (aka "Caucasians") diet was heavy in dairy and meat. The dairy products were all fermented; kefir, yoghurt, cheeses, and so forth. It wasn't until the Indo-Europeans moved off the steppes did they begin farming. One has to look at truly traditional diets to see what their heart disease rates are. Many traditional diets rely heavily on vegetables, grain, and a little meat. Some of them are dairy-heavy, but they're all fermented dairy products.

  Fat meat, sugars, and salt were scarce among early peoples. Wars were waged over salt, for example. The Celts around Gaul gained a lot of their power and wealth because they controlled a salt mine. Most meat was lean because they were grazing. If you wanted sugar, you had to raid a beehive or find fruit, which was seasonal. The genetic markers might be there, but that doesn't necessarily mean heart disease would happen unless your people started eating a poor diet over several generations. Some animals species carry the markers for certain diseases that only turn up when they overpopulate, for example. People might say, "Hey, we can have sugar and salt every day, as much as we want!" and count that as proof of prosperity. But the piper must be paid regardless.

Dharma:
Indeed. Go ask Alice. I think she'll know.

Zuma:
Otzi is rolling in his grave. (glass cage).
Was he still plyable enough to have oily discharge if he took meds?
All kidding aside.
The present Chinese diet is relatively new. They once had all the meat and potatoes modern westerners attribute to heart disease.
They ate all their good stuff a couple thousand years ago.
Their diet is directed by their population and land area.
I would suggest heart disease in the west can be attributed to indoor plumbing and a much more sedentary life style along with processed junk food.
I agree with you'll that think we are to new to DNA research to suggest definitive
cause and effect.
I had no idea this thread would drift in this direction. (not so much primitive skill)
Although I like the content of opinions.
If a moderator wants to move this to Campfire, be my guest.
There is plenty to discuss. Thanks folks
Zuma

Dharma:
The Chinese would not have had potatoes until after the 1500s. Potatoes are a New World food that only became available after Europeans landed upon the North and South American land masses. Then it took some time for people in the Old World to trust the New World foods.

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