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Bannerstone Discussion
swamp monkey:
Objects as found in grave. There was some settling as decomp occurred. Banners with antler hooks. Other graves had banners with handles, while still others had banners with both antler handles and antler hooks.
Zuma:
Swamp,
Thanks for posting all the info. Here are my thoughts.
In the photos with antler hooks there are no winged or shield type banners.
The cave find has a stone with no hole and the willow has no stone at all.
Paleo Planet, Larry and one of the links I posted mention that there are no drilled
bannerstones west of the Mississippi. I am not sure about all this as I am trying to associate drilled winged banners with drilling.
In your last images of the grave components, do you know the diameter of the antler and the drilled components? Do they match? I can't find the total report from Indian Knolls. If I could I might find some clue as to how all those stones were drilled.??
Zuma
Parnell:
Wow Zuma, really doing this well.
swamp monkey:
--- Quote from: Zuma on November 03, 2014, 10:50:50 am ---Swamp,
Thanks for posting all the info. Here are my thoughts.
In the photos with antler hooks there are no winged or shield type banners.
The cave find has a stone with no hole and the willow has no stone at all.
Paleo Planet, Larry and one of the links I posted mention that there are no drilled
bannerstones west of the Mississippi. I am not sure about all this as I am trying to associate drilled winged banners with drilling.
In your last images of the grave components, do you know the diameter of the antler and the drilled components? Do they match? I can't find the total report from Indian Knolls. If I could I might find some clue as to how all those stones were drilled.??
Zuma
--- End quote ---
.here are some quick answers to two of your questions. I am aware of definite drilled winged bannerstones from Missouri archeological site.
The holes are roughly 13 mm in diameter in the banners and the antler Spurs.
Zuma:
Thanks Parnell.
A lot of the thanks goes to Swampy and Jack. They are well versed in atatl technology and willing to share.
Swampy-- In a way I was just trying to confirm whether or not wings showed up at the Knolls
because I don't think the more tubular shape would be used for drilling. Those antlers and banners
in your images are really quite compelling. The image says ik ky. does that mean they were all found at the knolls? If so do you know where the ones that were not in graves were found?
I am confused as there is no image of what a complete atatl from Indian knolls would look like?
In the grave images the antlers are not plugged into the banners? I wish I could get all the images and reports for that site. Just to many questions.
It would be interesting to be able to date each and every drilled stone type and see how they mesh/ evolve along with the drilling methods of the eras.
Here is a drill related links. It is not America but very in depth and interesting.
The Change from Stone Drills to Copper Drills in Mesopotamia
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