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swamp monkey:
--- Quote from: Zuma on November 04, 2014, 12:12:23 am ---
Swampy-- " The image says ik ky. does that mean they were all found at the knolls? Yes, you are correct, that means that image was from Indian knoll KY.
I am confused as there is no image of what a complete atatl from Indian knolls would look like?
In the grave images the antlers are not plugged into the banners? I wish I could get all the images and reports for that site. Just to many questions.
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Below is an image of what one of these atlatls would have looked like more or less. The bannerstones are not exactly like those found in Indian Knoll. I am just saying that for full disclosure,
Do a web search on "Atlatls and Bannerstones: Excavations at Indian Knoll" by William Webb. I promise you will find a someone who sells this book.
Zuma:
Swampy,
Those atals are real cool looking.
Don't get me wrong----
There is just something about that configuration that don't sit right with me.
I realize you say the real finds had different stones. "More tubular I think"
First I would worry about cracking myself in the head or ear with that type
banner. (winged or shield) Also stabilizing the dart shaft on the rig, looks like it would
be very difficult. Also I think the wing shape would produce erratic results as
the wing would cause a planning of sorts.(To many diverse surfaces for air to pass over)
And of course all the technical aspects of creating such a tool when a plain stick
will do the job quite well. No offence just my 2 cents.
Zuma
swamp monkey:
--- Quote from: Zuma on November 07, 2014, 01:41:30 am ---Swampy,
Those atals are real cool looking.
Don't get me wrong----
There is just something about that configuration that don't sit right with me.
I realize you say the real finds had different stones. "More tubular I think"
First I would worry about cracking myself in the head or ear with that type
banner.
I have used both of those atlatls and I assure you cracking you head is not a worry ;)
(winged or shield) Also stabilizing the dart shaft on the rig, looks like it would
be very difficult.
I haven't noticed any difficulty.
Also I think the wing shape would produce erratic results as
the wing would cause a planning of sorts.(To many diverse surfaces for air to pass over)
The stones do resist acceleration which is why the sound is suppressed when you throw. Slow moving things make less wind noise. However, wind resistance is minor and provides no effect.
And of course all the technical aspects of creating such a tool when a plain stick
will do the job quite well. No offence just my 2 cents.
No offense taken. I too wonder why they did this. I have to realize i don't live like they did nor have their customs. So I will always be at some disadvantage to understand this. One thing I know is that hunter gathers had time for projects in winter and this may have been one of many things they decided to occupy their time with. Create elaborate bannerstones.
Zuma
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Zuma:
Great reply Swamp.
I guess I am a bit unfair in my assessment of weighted atatls as I haven't actually tried them out.
Perhaps the Indian Knolls finds are more ceremonial or made for high status folks.
Also there may be a distinction between which banners were for hunting and which for drilling and possible textile use.
I tied one end of my ABO lathe string to a branch on my cherry tree.
It returns the string real well. It bobbles a bit when the branch returns
because of all the other smaller branches springing around.
A single branch or sapling would be better. Next is a weight over a stable
branch on the end of the string.
swamp monkey:
More on bannertones. A paper on the topic.
http://www.maneyonline.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1179/1944289013Z.0000000003
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