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Bannerstone Discussion
caveman2533:
All just theory, not documented proof.
JackCrafty:
I looked for the papers for about an hour. To get the actual hard copies, it looks like I would have to spend some money for Pepper's comments and his other writings, for example.
Usually it takes me about 20 hours to locate a free source of information for topics as obscure as these. That's 20 hours for EACH author, if they are still in print and/or if I can locate someone who will give them to me. I did this type of thing with Texas Clovis finds and data concerning actual weights and dimensions for Texas arrow points (bird points) and associated debitage. It was a bottomless pit of goose-chasing fun. I did learn something, though. With enough determination, tenacity, and money, you can create quite a splat on a brick wall.... ;D
I'll continue searching. I may not find documented proof from these particular authors but there is documentation for the early interpretations of the finds from the various mounds. It's hard for archies to keep silent about their opinions. ;)
JackCrafty:
Ok, I found a google book on the subject. Published in 1916. I will post links to the books and to clips of some of the pages.
Link to book (see pages 165 to 176):
https://books.google.com/books?id=Kb7OAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA178-IA29&dq=banner-stone&hl=en&sa=X&ei=t1ipVLDgNsKjNoy0g6gE&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=banner-stone&f=false
Links to pages:
page 165
https://books.google.com/books?id=Kb7OAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA178-IA13&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U0PwwazFdKty3cUes0_TzQl6aistA&ci=67%2C136%2C838%2C1270&edge=0
partial clip page 171
https://books.google.com/books?id=Kb7OAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA178-IA33&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U0zU7qyYaGJO_IygM_yUdAI8h1cqA&ci=95%2C234%2C750%2C232&edge=0
JackCrafty:
Now that I know the links work (at least for me) the book is called:
NEW YORK STATE MUSEUM
70th Annual Report
1916.
The author of the bannerstone section: Arthur C. Parker, Archaeologist
The report describes various hypothetical uses for bannerstones including spindle whorls, pipe stands, helmet ornaments, and atlatl weights.
I'm not on my MAC so I can't cut and paste pictures of the pages. If someone needs them I will try to take screen shots when I'm able.
caveman2533:
My point is that there is no "proof" of anything, the "documents" you are giving me are putting forth ideas and theories, are no more or less valid than any other I have seen including what Larry K has put forth, most recently. It seems to me that nearly every idea can be made to sound sensible and proven. Sure it could be drill spindle, or a head dress, or a platform to hold up my pipe when I set it down, but none of these theories is proof because there are anomalies in the designs of known banner stones that preclude these theories from being all encompassed by one theory. A flat bottomed D shaped banner will not work very well as a spindle whorl, gonna wobble pretty badly. All I have seen is "proof" that there where probably many many uses for them.
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