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We are staring an International Primitive Flight Shooting Federation
Badger:
We are starting a flight federation and would hope to include a war bow class where war bows are shot as war bows are intended to shoot.
It would be appreciated if you guys could give is a comprehensive set of rules that would define a war bow and how it should be shot.
The rules would include a description of the bow, the shape, construction method, cross section, nocks, handle area, minimum draw weight etc.
It would also include arrow weights and lengths to be shot.
They should be clear enough that an official untrained in war bows could determine the eligibility to compete in that class.
Thanks in Advance Steve
adb:
It seems to me that the current warbow shooting societies do things exactly opposite of most other flight shooters. In the current warbow societies, the arrows are all standardised to very close specs, including: length, weight, nocks, heads, profiles, feathers, etc. The bows are pretty much the unlimited factor. They do have some specific guidelines for dimensions and profiles of the bows, including construction and materials.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in other flight shooting organisations, the bows are carefully regulated for material, type, draw weight, etc., and the arrow is anything goes.
I'm just wondering how you want to include warbows in this new federation? Standard arrows (as now), or standard bows?
I must admit, I enjoy the current shooting of the CWBS that I belong to. Everyone shoots the same arrow, and these arrows seem to be accepted by all the global warbow societies I'm aware of. How far you make it go is up to you. The downside of this? Only a few guys in the world can shoot enough draw weight to be on top.
I believe the current goal of the modern warbow societies is to mimic the bows and arrows used during the zenith of the warbow, which was during The Hundred Years War era of medieval times, and up to the Tudor age of Henry VIII.
I believe the current goal of modern flight federations is to see how far you can cast an unlimited arrow with a bow fitting into a specific group.
In your new federation, I think there's definitely room for including what we call English Longbows. However, I do believe the warbow societies will continue to function on a different wavelength.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Badger:
Adam, we are going to have regular flight shooting classes where we don't regulate the style of the bow so much and we will have tradtional flight shooting where bows will be shot in their own respective classes with arrow weights they might normally shoot, it will be based on grains per pound if I get my way on it.
We are going to leave the war bows rules up to the war bow guys. One thing you might consider is that for the lighter drawing war bow shooters where you would like to have the quality of your bow judged you may consider a similar aspect to war bow shooting where grains per pound are used.
adb:
That sounds do-able. It would change how things are done as compared to the current warbow societies.
To me, a warbow isn't a warbow until it's >70#. Even at 70#, a warbow casting the current warbow spec arrows is very anemic. Warbows were originally made for war, to cast a heavy enough projectile to inflict death or injury. To me, a warbow doesn't come alive until it's 100#.
If you're talking about reducing the draw weight, then I think you're just talking about an English Longbow. I don't know. I think warbows and the warbow societies will continue to stand alone, persuing their goals. I'm not saying they're going to change or combine with another federation, I just think they're a very separate entity in the flight shooting world. it would be a huge challenge to have "warbows" in another flight federation, I think. I don't know. It's like comparing apples & oranges... both fruit, but very different.
adb:
Actually, what I think I'm trying to say is: I wouldn't change anything about the current warbow societies. The classes of bows are appropriate (yew selfbow, meane wood, and laminates). The arrow specs are attempts at what some people believe was available at the moment historically. Certainly, it's a young man's game, where strength and ability are going to be the cream which will allow you to rise to the top, but I can't see anything different being better. I am open to suggestions, however.
I think the lighter drawing warbow shooters you speak of, are just shooting English Longbows.
Please keep in mind I mean no offense to anyone. This is just the way I see it. I want to start flight shooting someday soon, but I will continue to shoot warbows until I can't. I just see them as two very different things.
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