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Stringman:
Finally some worthwhile conversation on the subject.
Zuma:
Here are a few lines about what I think is the start of all this Outrepasse and Solutrean/Clovis nonsense.
With out something to connect Clovis and Solutrean (outrepasse) the connection would be mute. Remember, publish or die.
According to Bruce Bradley "François Bordes spent a whole semester at U of A in spring 1970 and he and I spent most every spare moment knapping in a little room on the ground floor of the Anthro building. François invited me to participate in his middle paleolithic excavations in SW France that summer and I spent several glorious months digging in 50,000 year old sites, knapping incredible flint (mostly Bergerac), don't know why it was, but he and I hit it off extremely well
Flintknapping Hall Of Fame, Flintknapper François Bordes
Zuma
turbo:
--- Quote ---To bad I can't watch the video. So maybe you could
answer a few questions about it.
What does he start with? A round nodule. What material?
Does he make Clovis points with the same technique?
I have no doubt that if you are adapt enough to create
overshot flakes at will, you are cool.
Although I doubt that less than 10 percent of all
knappers past and present can with any consistancy.
I'd like to see a show of hands here of the folks that can
prepare a platform on a Clovis type core and strike 2out of 20
overshot flakes. I bet Ben can't lol
Obsidian and quality cherts like Strings should be pretty simple.
I still contend that in abo projectile manufacture, overshot was the result
of going for the prize and comming up a little short. (loosing width)
I create overshots all the time. Mosty on large cobble reduction or difficult preforms. Never intentional
Zuma
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He starts w/ a variety of materials; mostly raw uncooked Texas material and he does make Clovis points using just overshots and a hammerstone. One of his goals in this project was to explain why a lot of Clovis points had 'nubs' left and why that may be. The nubs are basically isolated platforms which are not unlike fluting nipples. He surmises these nubs or isolated platforms would be used in the future to knock off tool flakes. As far as getting consistent overshots, they can be done if the platform is isolated correctly and the force/support is right. Lucas admitted he had lots of failures early in the project but learned from them.
As 'caveman' said the blade was more like a core producing tool flakes and the overshots create a sharp butchering edge. They did not necessarily sit down to knock out a Clovis point in one sitting like modern knappers but did it in stages.
Zuma:
:) :)
Thanks turbo
Great explanation. I sure want to see that vid now.
I totally believe in isolated platform ever since I started hand fluting.
What would be really cool to find out is--
What the overshot flake ratio is in Clovis quarry debris and compare it to
say broad spear debitage?
I am not sure I follow this correctly.
"One of his goals in this project was to explain why a lot of Clovis points had 'nubs' left and why that may be. The nubs are basically isolated platforms which are not unlike fluting nipples. He surmises these nubs or isolated platforms would be used in the future to knock off tool flakes."
Does this mean they would make tool flakes from finished Clovis points?
Thanks Zuma
turbo:
--- Quote from: Zuma on June 13, 2015, 12:53:21 pm --- :) :)
Thanks turbo
Great explanation. I sure want to see that vid now.
I totally believe in isolated platform ever since I started hand fluting.
What would be really cool to find out is--
What the overshot flake ratio is in Clovis quarry debris and compare it to
say broad spear debitage?
I am not sure I follow this correctly.
"One of his goals in this project was to explain why a lot of Clovis points had 'nubs' left and why that may be. The nubs are basically isolated platforms which are not unlike fluting nipples. He surmises these nubs or isolated platforms would be used in the future to knock off tool flakes."
Does this mean they would make tool flakes from finished Clovis points?
Thanks Zuma
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No problem, it's a four part video series but well worth watching. Marty Reuter also has some great Clovis videos using punches and hammerstones ('flintknappingtips' on Youtube). I really appreciate the work knappers like them are doing and hope the professional community is watching too. I know the archaeologist in me is.
As for your question, yes, he surmises they would continue to knock off flakes throughout the life of the blade.
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