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caveman2533:
the punches I use are made from an antler base like a billet but I use the end that would attach to the skull as the punch point.

Zuma:
Also, if people cannot explain my flaking - even though I show the tools - then how will they explain ancient flaking, especially when the tools cannot be seen?  If people do not understand flaking that is made today, then how will they understand flaking that is over 10,000 years old?

I had to go forwards through time, and take into account all of the evidence from the Americas.  The outrepasse flaking, in raw stone, with a deer tine, is child's play.  What is not "child's play" is the understanding that is behind it.      

Outrepasse is not even American in any way it's a French word.
 And it is not child's play even for you.
Why?? Because it took you years to develop your ability to produce an occasional "Overshot"
 Not only that, you have to demonstrate an ability to create several "OVERSHOTS" in a row.  You have not accomplished this.
What is worse, is that you refuse to acknowledge the facts about real documented Clovis overshot.
The TRUE ancient over 10,000 year old flaking technology.
So if you think duplicating Clovis mistakes now and then is child's play, I agree 100 percent.
Zuma

JoJoDapyro:
I think that the words he chooses to use may not have the intended meaning. Perhaps what he is trying to say is that the understanding of how to do it is what is difficult, and with practice (like anything else) it does become easy.  I am one who has a very hard time putting my thoughts into meaningful words in text. More likely than not I can show you how to do something, but if asked to explain I would only confuse you more. What is really funny to me is this. We have a group of knappers here who outwardly don't believe what Ben is talking about. Yet they are poking and pushing to "See his secret". My personal opinion is that if you don't have any interest in what someone is talking about, then you just pass on by. Putting "All we know" aside is the first step to learning. As humans we tend to fight about what we know, and too little we don't try to learn what we don't. As humans we need to accept that we really have lost more info about these things than any of us understand. This to me is akin to religion or politics, does it matter if you're right, or does it matter if your kind? In the end is anyone being personally hurt by Ben's claims? Especially in his last thread, some of you acted like little bratty kids from the onset. How about we take a step back and grow up a little. He was sharing a story, and we have a mob mentality to attack him and make comments that DO NOT add to the conversation in any way except to be jerks. This is a great community. There are members here who I don't agree with on a lot of issues. But as a community we need to act like the adults we are. Don't like someone? Don't comment on their threads. Don't agree with someones ideas, don't read their threads. Easy Peasy!

Marc St Louis:

--- Quote from: JoJoDapyro on August 14, 2015, 10:45:00 am ---I think that the words he chooses to use may not have the intended meaning. Perhaps what he is trying to say is that the understanding of how to do it is what is difficult, and with practice (like anything else) it does become easy.  I am one who has a very hard time putting my thoughts into meaningful words in text. More likely than not I can show you how to do something, but if asked to explain I would only confuse you more. What is really funny to me is this. We have a group of knappers here who outwardly don't believe what Ben is talking about. Yet they are poking and pushing to "See his secret". My personal opinion is that if you don't have any interest in what someone is talking about, then you just pass on by. Putting "All we know" aside is the first step to learning. As humans we tend to fight about what we know, and too little we don't try to learn what we don't. As humans we need to accept that we really have lost more info about these things than any of us understand. This to me is akin to religion or politics, does it matter if you're right, or does it matter if your kind? In the end is anyone being personally hurt by Ben's claims? Especially in his last thread, some of you acted like little bratty kids from the onset. How about we take a step back and grow up a little. He was sharing a story, and we have a mob mentality to attack him and make comments that DO NOT add to the conversation in any way except to be jerks. This is a great community. There are members here who I don't agree with on a lot of issues. But as a community we need to act like the adults we are. Don't like someone? Don't comment on their threads. Don't agree with someones ideas, don't read their threads. Easy Peasy!

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What the heck are you talking about,
--- Quote --- a very hard time putting my thoughts into meaningful words in text
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.  That was very well said

JoJoDapyro:
LOL,  >:( Basically, don't be a dick!  :laugh:

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