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stevesjem:
--- Quote from: markinengland on February 25, 2008, 04:48:23 pm ---Nick, Rod,
Why not agree to meet and compare accuracy at Batsford in May. Plenty of opportunity to compare accuracy at a roving shoot and a field shoot and I am sure that there would be a space to set up a target roundel somewhere for a target test as well. What's more there would be plenty of witnesses and no doubt some other warbow or no-warbow archers who may take part in the challenge.
Sound possible?
Mark in England
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That could be arranged. But Nick, why are you bothering with this, if someone wants to prove something then let him do it himself, if he wants to put his point across then let him do his own experiments/Challenges and not get others to prove or disprove his theories. Forget it mate, lets just get on with doing what were doing.....Having fun ;)
nick1346:
--- Quote from: stevesjem on February 26, 2008, 07:23:56 pm ---
--- Quote from: markinengland on February 25, 2008, 04:48:23 pm ---Nick, Rod,
Why not agree to meet and compare accuracy at Batsford in May. Plenty of opportunity to compare accuracy at a roving shoot and a field shoot and I am sure that there would be a space to set up a target roundel somewhere for a target test as well. What's more there would be plenty of witnesses and no doubt some other warbow or no-warbow archers who may take part in the challenge.
Sound possible?
Mark in England
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That could be arranged. But Nick, why are you bothering with this, if someone wants to prove something then let him do it himself, if he wants to put his point across then let him do his own experiments/Challenges and not get others to prove or disprove his theories. Forget it mate, lets just get on with doing what were doing.....Having fun ;)
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I've no intention of letting something like this spoil my weekend at Batsford :D If Rod wants to go head to head as I suggested then it'll be between ourselves and as I challenged I'll supply the bow and arrows, that would take place somewhere quite Batsford isn't the place. But as Rod isn't capable of it though injury, which I can understand, then the only challenge left is the one he put out to everyone else. If I do that then it'll be down at our club with the club GNAS coaches as witnesses.
Rod:
I am not the one who seems to be obsessed with comparing target bows with war bows.
The proposal only has to do a curiosity about standards of accuracy with a heavy bow.
To suggest that this would not have been relevant to the realistic employment of a projectile weapon is patently absurd.
If I appear to be critical, it is not of the ability of todays heavy bow afficionados, but of the weakness of some of the responses.
Fact: In the Tang dynasty the main body of infantry archers will have passed a test in mid range accuracy by shooting six arrows at a man sized mark from a bow in the median draw weight range of 120 lb to150 lb.
The passing grade required one or more hits out of six arrows.
No hits was a failing grade.
Six out of six hits was the elite first class grade.
If you think that an honest and rational response is to say that you are not Chinese, not a target archer and that it is irrelevant, and that besides the comopound bow has some magic quality which makes it possible for the ancient Chinese to perform the impossible, do you expect to accorded the same respect as someone who says "I don't think I can do that" or "I wonder If I could do that?" or even " I don't find that interesting".
Rod.
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nick1346:
--- Quote from: Rod on February 27, 2008, 08:22:37 am ---If I appear to be critical, it is not of the ability of todays heavy bow afficionados, but of the weakness of some of the responses.
I
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LIke your poorly elbow?
--- Quote from: Rod on February 27, 2008, 08:22:37 am ---
Fact: In the Tang dynasty the main body of infantry archers will have passed a test in mid range accuracy by shooting six arrows at a man sized mark from a bow in the median draw weight range of 120 lb to150 lb.
The passing grade required one or more hits out of six arrows.
No hits was a failing grade.
Six out of six hits was the elite first class grade.
I
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So what? Thats very nice for them but why to you keep bringing up Tang dynasty archers on a English Warbow forum? If you want to quote standards of military archery quote English ones which I think you'll find were higher.
--- Quote from: Rod on February 27, 2008, 08:22:37 am ---
If you think that an honest and rational response is to say that you are not Chinese, not a target archer and that it is irrelevant, and that besides the comopound bow has some magic quality which makes it possible for the ancient Chinese to perform the impossible, do you expect to accorded the same respect as someone who says "I don't think I can do that" or "I wonder If I could do that?" or even " I don't find that interesting".
Rod.
I
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Agian there you go about chinese archers, since I'm someone who studies English archery then it is an entirely rational response to point out the fact that we are not chinese. That doesn't detract form chinese archery in the slightest but why use that example when you could use English ones? That is not very logical. All of my points so far in this thread have not to provide excuses for not doing your little test but to point out to you why you haven't been swamped with offers. Steve gave the best respnse so far ' why are you bothering with this, if someone wants to prove something then let him do it himself, if he wants to put his point across then let him do his own experiments/Challenges and not get others to prove or disprove his theories. Forget it mate, lets just get on with doing what were doing.....Having fun ' and that seems to be the main reason. Why should people want to engage in your test when you plainly attack anyone who disagrees with it and are unwilling to take it yourself! That is no way to win people over.
Anyway enough of this I shall not post any longer on this as I'm sure many people are tiring of this somewhat. If I do this round I'll contact you and let you know the results and yes they will be fairly witnessed.
Badger:
Flight shooters will often get what I consider odd responses such as " whats the point? will a 200 grain arrow kill a deer" or "try killing a deer at 300 yards". Just different games we are playing no more or no less valid. Steve
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