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Zuma:
Ben, please provide some information that producing
overshot flakes is an intentional Clovis or for that
matter a trait of any knapping culture but modern.
You post all the other archaeological information but
you have continually ignored this request for your
thoughts to back up your claim archaeologically.
Perhaps you haven't read my previous requests or the
professional papers that say overshot flakes are in-factally
a mistake. I would be glad to make them available to you
if you desire. :)
Thanks Zuma
nclonghunter:
The antler punches like those found at the Madisonville site would be made from the last few inches of an antler tine or are they made from bigger pieces of antler?
Antler has a soft center in the bigger areas so I would think those pouches can only be made from the antler tine tips. Anyone have any other ideas on how to make them?
caveman2533:
Punches are better made from the base of an antler. I have been making mine from the bases of smaller deer. Even spikes. The base is used as the bit placed against the edge of the biface. This way dense bits can be made from smaller antlers.
AncientTech:
--- Quote from: Zuma on October 18, 2015, 10:00:49 pm ---Ben, please provide some information that producing
overshot flakes is an intentional Clovis or for that
matter a trait of any knapping culture but modern.
You post all the other archaeological information but
you have continually ignored this request for your
thoughts to back up your claim archaeologically.
Perhaps you haven't read my previous requests or the
professional papers that say overshot flakes are in-factally
a mistake. I would be glad to make them available to you
if you desire. :)
Thanks Zuma
--- End quote ---
Zuma, as I have tried to explain in the past, the OPINIONS offered in professional papers, appear to have two flaws:
A. The so-called professionals use the term overshot in a general sense, and never specify the actual technology. Overshot is not a technology. It is the result of a technology. So, I would need to know which technology that we are talking about, when the overshot results are being discussed. I previously cited Bradley, to show a blatant example of someone speaking definitively about overshot, while never actually specifying the technology he used to create the overshot.
B. If the modern experiments being carried out are based upon 1930 era English flintknapping batons, and such batons were not used by ancient American flintknappers (or ancient American knappers used pitching tools), then the results of the experiments, regarding outrepasse, may not be applicable, at all.
That being said, I know of at least three ways to create outrepasse flakes: A. Deer tine/indirect percussion, B. hammerstone/direct percussion, and C. English-style baton/direct percussion.
These three technologies do not have identical attributes, nor do they work the same in all materials. Also, using a deer tine in indirect percussion would qualify as a "pitching tool".
Can you show me a paper that distinguishes the difference between the effects of pitching tools versus English style batons? If not, then how does one proceed to discuss "outrepasee" in an educated manner?
AncientTech:
--- Quote from: nclonghunter on October 18, 2015, 11:14:57 pm ---The antler punches like those found at the Madisonville site would be made from the last few inches of an antler tine or are they made from bigger pieces of antler?
Antler has a soft center in the bigger areas so I would think those pouches can only be made from the antler tine tips. Anyone have any other ideas on how to make them?
--- End quote ---
Actually, entire racks of antler were reduced, at some Woodland sites. And, I believe it was Webb, who in the 1940's, outlined the entire reduction process of antler, into various tools, and objects. For example, projectile points were made from short cut tips. Longer portions, including the tips, were cut (or broken) and used as "flakers", though no one is sure whether they were hafted or used in some other form. The sections known as "antler drifts" were cut from straight sections, and were usually about 2-1/4 inches long, by 1 cm thick. Basal sections were frequently cut, and used as handles, for other tools.
Anyway, to make antler drifts, you only need to cut out straight sections of the tine that are about two inches long.
Ben
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