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Ancient? Tine based Technnique?

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Ghost Knapper:
Here are my thoughts (mainly ramblings)on the pictures. You can click on the image view it in photobucket and zoom in to see each image larger.


The progression is from the top down

Antler Drift Punch
Key Features: Platform placement, Stone hammer to apply a strike to the punch, steep angle of punch, support against a wall in top right pic (under antler drift punch heading)

Hammerstone on Stone Punch
Key Features: support between legs

1879 Cushing Cylinder Under knee
Key Feature: Support of piece is no longer in hand to allow for both hands to be used to better control the antler punch and hammerstone

Wooden Hammer w/ large "ishi stick"
Key Features: "Drift Punch' is made larger by placing in handle, hammer strike is on side of stick verses the end as done with the drift punch.

All of this somehow merges together to form the thoughts and actions behind the "Tine Based" Flaking

Other things I noticed in one of the antler drift photos you can see support against a wall and in the bottom left Tine based photo the picture is also taken beside a wall and from looking at alot of the pictures they were taken during the process of making the point so it could be inferred that the piece was supported against the wall weather in hand or laying on something as seen in the wooden hammer photos. The glove the wrapped around the biface in the 1879 Cushing photos is also present in the Tine based flaking photos so the piece may have been wrapped in the glove. The bottom right photo showing a broken antler tine shows alot of wear on the side of the tine as if it was struck in the manner as done with the wooden hammer photos and not on the end as done with the drift punches.

Hopefully someone can help wrap their head around all of this and give some more insight on how the progression could of been made and how the "Tine Based Flaking" is being performed. Only the person who has taken these photos knows exactly how it was done, but maybe just maybe we can pull something from these images to learn from and apply to our own knapping bag of tricks.

Zuma:
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mullet:
What I couldn't figure out is, the last picture on the first page, you would try to thin that much from the center of the preform?

Hummingbird Point:
As soon as Ben mentioned his method, it made me think of the video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3gm79O7vbU

I believe the action is similar which I would say is more of an "assited" pressure" type idea than a punch method.  What I have been trying to figure out is how to use a method like that for both general flaking and fluting without the trouble of the clamp.  I agree that much of what has been shown of the flaking looks a bit tortured, and I don't understand the point of creating outre passe flakes on such a late stage form, especially when those flakes fall apart such that they cannot be harvested to use as tools, but I am focused on the amount of power being harnassed from a small piece of antler.  I see a lot of potential, maybe.

Keith 

mullet:
Jeeez, Don, are we nit picking over the word, "ancient"? Cleaned up one mess,,, now have to work on another?

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