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Hand thrown spear better than the Atlatl?
Zuma:
Light Spear (equivalent to a javelin): 2 pounds, 50 mph, 1" diameter
Heavy Spear (equivalent to a Roman pilum): 5 pounds, 25 mph, 1 1/2" diameter
Light Atlatl Dart: 3 ounces, 85 mph, 1/2" diameter
Heavy Atlatl Dart: 6 ounces, 70 mph, 5/8" diameter
Kinetic Energy Hunting Usage
< 25 ft. lbs. Small game
25 - 41 ft. lbs. Medium Game (deer, antelope, etc.)
42 - 65 ft. lbs. Large Game (elk, black bear, wild boar, etc.)
> 66 ft. lbs. Toughest Game (cape buffalo, grizzly, etc.)
MOMENTUM CALCULATIONS:
In descending order
Projectile Weight Velocity Momentum
Heavy Spear 5 pounds 37 fps 5.75 slug-feet/second
Light Spear 2 pounds 73.5 4.57
Heavy Dart 6 ounces 103 1.20
Light Dart 3 ounces 125 .73
SECTIONAL DENSITY CALCULATIONS:
In descending order
Projectile Weight Diameter Sectional Density
Heavy Spear 5 pounds 1.5" 2.222 psi
Light Spear 2 pounds 1" 2.000
Heavy Dart 6 ounces .625" .960
Light Dart 3 ounces .5" .750
How Hard Does It Hit?
www.thudscave.com/npaa/articles/howhard.htm -
John32r:
--- Quote from: CherokeeKC on December 05, 2015, 06:30:55 pm ---Primitive people didnt worry about "ethical kills". They were trying to survive and could track a wounded animal way better than modern man. So Im sure they didnt wait for perfect shot oppurtunity or not take the shot if the animal was staying "out of range". They would take the shot no matter what especially if they were on edge of starvation.
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Right, but Baldwin Spencer explicitly states that it took an exceptionally good man to kill "or disable" at more than 20 yards. Which implies that an atlatl dart is not typically disabling at that range, even if it hits the target.
John32r:
Looks like the atlatl wasn't penetrating steel armor after all, even at near point-blank distances.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjV7lYP6hRw
criveraville:
--- Quote from: John32r on December 05, 2015, 08:07:09 pm ---Looks like the atlatl wasn't penetrating steel armor after all, even at near point-blank distances.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjV7lYP6hRw
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Hubris. Hubris completely void of humility, common decency and general unspoken rules of engaging in a "meaningful " discourse. John23r, your threads, post, and replies are full of hubris bent on proving people wrong by setting them up with your opening statements. After which, you proceed into a nonsensical apology with facts, quotes, figures, charts, etc..
Primitive Archer members, my suggestion is to not reply to Jon's post or replies. We all have better things to do than to argue with the court jester.
mullet:
Kind of like the little Troll under the bridge.
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