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loon:

--- Quote from: jayman448 on February 01, 2016, 02:35:30 am ---i know thats the general consensus on the bow elbow among target archers. i just can not physically draw with my elbow back like that. it dont matter if its a 25 lb bow or a 55 lb bow i cant make my bow elbow do that rotation

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I can do it with 55# or so but it's awkward and hard to do, definitely not natural or intuitive.
With 80#, it just seems to rotate back counter clockwise from all the pressure..
Maybe it is a personal anatomy thing.

This seems like a good way to get the elbow joint destroyed from string slap if shooting w/ fingers/left side of bow, but it is the exact opposite of what modern target archers do:


--- Quote from: henryshoots ---So regarding joints, I hope I understand your question. Now my bow elbow is facing slightly more toward the ground, the fold of the elbow facing up. This is because 1: that seems to be the standard way in many Chinese manual, Gao Ying like to comment on A LOT of things, but he didn't make a fuss about this, so I assume he used similar method. Many central Asian method are similar as well. And reason 2. I asked Mr Scott Rodell, a martial artist with over 30 years of teaching Chinese sword, he said he think the Chinese archery bow hand should be similar to the way swords are held: elbow facing down and the inner fold facing up. It allows the most strength forward and resilience coming back, and won't lock your elbow for a good sword trust. He then demonstrated on how more secured I am against his push if I do so. So that made a lot of sense to me. My understanding is, probably many Chinese archers of old wouldn't develop two different ways to stretch an arm forward for consistency's sake. So I stopped turning elbow out to the side, but turn it more toward the ground.
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Lumberman:
It feels very awkward to not have my bow elbow aligned up with the bow. Thankful for my dad being patient and teaching me when i was only 10, didn't even know that was "proper" form. Teach em early as they say

jayman448:
I think it must be an anatomy thing. The only way i can turn my arm like that is if i hold my bow at like a 40 degree cant

loon:
Yeah... I heard kyudo students who are double jointed and get string slap if the elbow cup faces to the side are recommended to make it face up. I think I read the same thing in The Way of Archery.

I think rotating the elbow like target archers do is probably awkward for everyone at first but they get used to it eventually as tendons stretch? How difficult it is probably varies on individuals.


--- Quote from: Lumber man on February 01, 2016, 07:52:25 am ---It feels very awkward to not have my bow elbow aligned up with the bow. Thankful for my dad being patient and teaching me when i was only 10, didn't even know that was "proper" form. Teach em early as they say

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Aligned up, so the elbow cup faces up? I have a bone that sticks a lot to the side and easily gets in the way of the string if I do that. 45 degrees is how i usually shoot

Lumberman:
Haha oops, yeah poorly worded. No the cup is flat to the string, 90 degrees

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