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TRACY:
Thanks for the reply Billy. I appreciate and respect your honesty of the fate of the deer after testing. If everyone that reads the article gains some new experience and knowledge then that is a plus. I don't like to see the meat wasted but understand that your intent wasn't malicious and if the temperatures had been cooler you would have utilized this wonderful renewable resource. If your goal was to open minds to the underestimated effectvieness of "bird points" then you have succeeded.
Thank You
Tracy

Pat B:
Billy, I don't think there is a size reg on broadheads in GA. Check the reg book. I believe all they say about archery equipment is...it has to be a compound, longbow, recurve or cross bow and the arrow has to be a "broadhead" type. I'll recheck but I don't remember there being a broadhead size limit.   Pat

billy:
Pat,

I remember several years ago when reading in the GA game regs that they did have a minimal broadhead width...I think 3/4 of an inch.  But it was years ago and I haven't seen this minimum width repeated since then.  I guess the DNR assumes that most people will be hunting with modern broadheads which seem to tout their cutting diameter in all their ads, so broadhead size isn't really a concern.  But you know how the govt is about those kinds of things and would probably say that my bird points were illegal, even though it's not stated in the current regulations.  I remember once when I was hunting in Oregon and was stopped by Oregon State Police (the State Police enforce game laws out there) and he checked my tags to make sure I was legal.  Of course I was, but he didn't say anything about my obsidian points, which were only 1/2" wide (minimum width is 7/8"). 

For anyone else who was upset that I "wasted" the deer,

 I had full intentions of butchering and eating the deer after the test was completed.  That's why I put ice bags in its chest.  But unfortunately a dead deer doesn't pay the bills, The temperature was very warm, I had to work the entire next day, and I was unable to replace the ice bags in time.  Part of the reason for the autopsy was also to see if there was any meat that was still o.k. to eat.  But there wasn't.  The tendons in the hindquarters, legs, and back all had a greenish tint to them, and there were loads of flies around that thing.  That is my only regret about the test...that the deer had to be thrown away.  I can understand that some people might have been upset, but I did as much as I could to preserve the deer.  If I could have sent someone else to work for me on tuesday I would have been able to conduct the test a day earlier and gotten it butchered before it spoiled.

Justin Snyder:
I still haven't seen my magazine.  :'( I do have to say that I love the idea of testing on a dead deer.  I have tested on road kill before.  It is illegal to pick them up, but there are no regulations on shooting them right there on the side of the road. >:D It is to bad you were unable to keep it cool enough to not spoil, but sometimes we have that problem even when we are just trying to cool them by hanging.  If you don't have access to a walk in refrigerator, it is a peril we all face if the weather turns hot.  
The major concern I have isn't the deer or penetration, it doesn't even have a lot to do with the article.  It is a matter of mathematics.  If you shoot a 1/4" point you have 1/3 the chance of cutting major arteries that you would shooting a 3/4" point. If you miss the major arteries by 1/32" you risk loosing the deer.  The extra width on the point would have finished the deer in real short order.  I don't have enough confidence in my hitting the heart or a major artery every time to reduce the point size I am shooting. From my point of view,  a 1" slice at 7" of penetration is 7 square inches of damage.  A 1/4" point penetrating 14" will only amass 1.75" square inches of damage.  Justin

D. Tiller:
Kind of why I blieve small points were used is that most hunting bows made my Natives here in the northwest often averaged arround 35 - 40# draw weight. Smaller points would then penetrate further and do more damage. Our bows these days are much heavier in comparison. But I also think small points were likley big game points used for Elk and Bear. Deaper penetration and more through and throughs. I would also only go after bear with these if I had someone allong to keep pumping them out as you are too. Pincusion the sucker! Then RUN!!!  :o

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