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Morgan:

--- Quote from: Hawkdancer on June 09, 2021, 02:31:01 am ---Be responsible- be sure you know your weapon - and your limits!  The hunter has to respect the game, and his/her abilities!  Hunting is no more or less cruel than sending animals to a slaughterhouse house!  At least, the Hunter has made meat in the original way.
Hawkdancer

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This. Well said

Pappy:
Nothing cruel about it, it's the circle of life, Good Lord gave them to us to use, as long and you treat it with respect and use it to feed and cloth you and you family nothing cruel about it. JMO  ;) :) Killing for fun or sport on something just to hang on the wall is a whole other subject to me. I tell people that they have been using this stuff for thousands of years so it has to be effective, also it's a personal thing, I don't tell you , you are wrong for what you think or how you do it or what you use so Please don't tell me I am wrong for how I think,what I use or how I do it. Either way you are taking a life and should be respect that. :)
 Pappy

Mesophilic:
I saved the pics from the aftermath of a mountain lion deer kill in my neighbor's yard, for this very reason.

Nature is much more cruel than any ethical human hunter could ever contemplate.   Notice the word "ethical".

This deer was raked with claw marks all over, disemboweled in several places,  and then choked to death.  As long as I give it 100%, no animal will die in such a horrible manner by my hands.

paulc:
Seems to me, if anyone is going to eat any kind of meat they have to be okay with causing some amount of  suffering in another being.  To claim that the deer or whatever you shot with whatever weapon didn't suffer is just silly-unless you blew its brains out.  The idea that an animal won't suffer applies, it seems to me, to the vast minority of kills.  A gun (ie long distance) helps us insulate ourselves from that reality, a grocery store even more.  There is also the silly idea that animals if left to their own die fat and happy in their sleep. 

For me, killing the animal myself allows me to take direct responsibility for the suffering I benefit from.  And I can take steps to minimize that suffering.   I can honor the animal and its experience when I stand over it, or fail to collect it for whatever reason.  The book Dominion, can't remember the author, has a great bit on hunting, also how we as people apply value to that animal there but not that animal over here-and how irrational it is.

And in truth I have not been in a real hurry to actually take a shot with a bow in part because I am not sure I will be okay with being that close to the suffering I inflict...I was a vegetarian for a long time and frankly might go back to that after my first bow kill  :o ::)

fwiw Paul

Digital Caveman:
You may want to finish off the venison first, but I know what you mean. 

Not sure how I would handle something like that,  Depending on who I learn hunting from, my first deer will quite probably be rifle killed within 40 yards, may be the best of both worlds, idk.  It wouldn't be primitive, but I would learn deer patterns, not to mention how to get the deer from the woods to the skillet cleanly.  (The buckskin would be in great shape to). 

My first small game on the other hand will almost certainly be with an arrow. 

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