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does a bow with a shelf perform better
superdav95:
Mark. You mention that,
“ If your bow has a natural centershot handle then that should be the same as a cut in shelf in terms of paradox.”
I’m not sure I fully understand what you said. It’s possible I misunderstood what you’re saying here. To my understanding a center shot bow will have less shooters paradox to overcome for good flight then a bow that is not center shot. Are you saying that a natural center shot would be similar to a center shot cut in shelf? To me that would line up the same. It would all depend on the depth of the cut in shelf and how close to center shot it is that would affect arrow flight. My experience has been that even center shot bows need arrows tuned but is less picky for arrows. Some of my best shooting bows had the string favouring arrows rest side. A shelf cut in can range in depth of the cut in. A cut in shelf even a 1/8th” out from center shot will have a disadvantage over the center shot bow albeit slight. A knuckle rest or cut in shelf covered in leather or hair rest that are the same distance away from center shot will shoot virtually that same as far as any measurable means are concerned. The paradox would be the same in my estimation with the two. I’m just trying to understand better and see if we are in the same page.
Good discussion here
Cheers
mmattockx:
--- Quote from: bradsmith2010 on November 17, 2022, 08:05:23 pm ---I didnt know we were talking about olympic shooting,, isnt this a primitive site,,,
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Their bows started out looking like our bows and evolved towards greater and greater levels of precision. That would indicate the way towards greater performance with our bows as well. I don't think you're going to get an example that satisfies your needs, the differences between no shelf/rest and a cut in shelf are just not going to be that great. At most you get easier tuning, more forgiving on a bad shot and maybe cleaner arrow flight.
--- Quote from: superdav95 on November 17, 2022, 08:21:11 pm ---To my understanding a center shot bow will have less shooters paradox to overcome for good flight then a bow that is not center shot. Are you saying that a natural center shot would be similar to a center shot cut in shelf? To me that would line up the same.
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Yes, that is what I meant. I think we are on the same page with this.
Mark
bassman211:
Dave... build 2 bows as close to the same as you can. 1 with a deep shelf (1/4 inch) cut out ,and bare shaft arrow tune both bows. Then go to a different spine arrow both up ,or down. Then report your findings to us. I see were you shot a beautiful buck with great shot placement. Congrads. What ever you are doing it is working quite well for you. Post it here ,so the guys can see it.
superdav95:
Thanks Bassman!
I did this with two 40lbs bows already. I did t bare shaft tune them or anything but my results I spoke of in my initial reply to this thread. The results were minimal in speed if any noticeable difference. Both shot nice and straight with a 350 spine arrow at 400grains. Arrows were carbons with standard feathers straight jig right wing feathers. The only real difference was the silence in the shot with no shelf compared to the one with shelf. Granted that being said the shelf cut version did quite up a bit more later after I put a strip of leather on arrow pass but still not as whisper quite as the No shelf bow. Hope that helps.
bassman211:
Well you have proven to yourself which you prefer.
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