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data on the Mary Rose bows/arrows
bow-toxo:
The books cited above are the actual words of actual people who used archery gear of their own time, the Middle Ages and Renaissance. I think their words and suggestions give a better idea of archery in their time than the words of present day people who choose to ignore information handed down to us. My goal is to reproduce the gear and shooting style of the Middle Ages as nearly as I can determine. That is my idea of re-enactment.
The photos posted above show my bows and arrows made by the method I have clearly described. Others are free to ignore it or try it, but please don't make ridiculous objections. The method works. The bows and arrows work.
adb:
--- Quote from: bcbull on November 25, 2008, 04:35:43 pm --- yep i just double checked thats the one you guys know if it s any good ? if it dont have any data i aint gettin it i want some stuff with some measurments and what not in it haha but like everyone s been saying most have very lil or no ifo there thanks brock
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It's an excellent book, with detailed info on EWBs, arrows, heads, etc. Well worth the price, IMO.
bcbull:
thanks adb think ill go ahead get it wont hurt to read it anyway haha brock
outcaste:
--- Quote from: bow-toxo on November 25, 2008, 10:34:45 pm --- the books cited above are the actual words of actual people who used archery gear of their own time, the Middle Ages and Renaissance. I think their words and suggestions give a better idea of archery in their time than the words of present day people who choose to ignore information handed down to us. My goal is to reproduce the gear and shooting style of the Middle Ages as nearly as I can determine. That is my idea of reenactment.
The photos posted above show my bows and arrows made by the method I have clearly described. Others are free to ignore it or try it, but please don't make ridiculous objections. The method works. The bows and arrows work.
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Hi,
When we are conducting research there are typically two forms of data, primary and secondary. Within the context of this thread we should see the finds on the MR as primary or raw data and contemporary written works as secondary or supporting evidence that feeds into the whole understanding of the subject. Primary data is paramount and without such any findings cannot be be seen as fully resolved or understood. Not every written word is true or accurate no matter when it was published, inanimate objects seldom lie. If we did not have the MR then we would have to to use contemporary accounts, but we do have the MR. I am sure that making archery kit to the above methods work and it only serves to better our overall understanding but primary resources cannot be ignored nor those who have had the opportunity to examine these artifacts in detail and conduct experiments from this data - experimental archaeology.
Cheers,
Alistair
bow-toxo:
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Hi,
When we are conducting research there are typically two forms of data, primary and secondary. Within the context of this thread we should see the finds on the MR as primary or raw data and contemporary written works as secondary or supporting evidence that feeds into the whole understanding of the subject. Primary data is paramount and without such any findings cannot be be seen as fully resolved or understood. Not every written word is true or accurate no matter when it was published, inanimate objects seldom lie. If we did not have the MR then we would have to to use contemporary accounts, but we do have the MR. I am sure that making archery kit to the above methods work and it only serves to better our overall understanding but primary resources cannot be ignored nor those who have had the opportunity to examine these artifacts in detail and conduct experiments from this data - experimental archaeology.
Cheers,
Alistair
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Hi Alstair,
Youi too have missed the point that I have at no time ignored the Mary Rose finds and even took the trouble to make what I believe to be the first MR replica bow ever made [see picture above]. MR bows were not the only type of bows produced in mediaeval/Tudor Europe. As I have neither the strength, the location, or the need for warbow shooting, I use the [authentic] hunting/mark bow instead. Above, please find the source explanation for the longer MR bows. If we ignore historical evidence verifiable from several sources and confine ourselves to primary evidence we could concieveably come up with idiocies such as: The MR bows could not have been used because fast flight strings had not been invented and it was impossible to make such thin strings that would not immediately break, or; the tip grooves must have been tillering nocks because side nocks were so impractical that Victorian nocks must have been used.
Thanks for your attempt to correct me, but please do not accuse me of things I am not guilty of.
Erik
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