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water/cape buffulo with stone points........ has it been done??
zeNBowyer:
I'm thinking needle nosed bodkins, warbow, this would be like hunting dinosaur:)
ozy clint:
both of these arrows were 760-800grs. as otis said this was a cow who's fibrous skin was ONLY 1/2" thick and who's ribs are lighter! heavy bone is just one factor. remember it's no good just breaching the ribs. you must penetrate another foot after them to reach the the opposite side of the thorax.
my goal was to use a totally primitive arrow, which i did. perhaps more chances of success would be gained if one hafted a stone point onto a steel field point with epoxy, then used it on a skinny carbon. then the only thing left to chance is whether the stone can handle it......reliably!
stickbender:
I would think that one of Claude Van Order's triangular points, on a tonkin shaft, would penetrate quite well, or even a narrow wedge shaped, and tapering thickness from the point to the back would also be the trick, made out of some cowboy's hard Texas rock. As for reliability, of the attachment of the head, it is reliable. When you can shoot through a big ol hog from a angle, and pass through the hip, and lodge in the opposite shoulder bone, I would think it would hold up quite well. Just do as said and wrap it well, and smooth the transition to the head. I have complete confidence in a stone head. That boy "is" rather well armored. But I don't see the ribs being any thicker than a cow, or an Elk, just a lot wider. So I still think that a good stone point will penetrate, and slice and dice. As for wounding, carry extra arrows of course, and a back up. .45/70 .416 rigby, .458, .375 etc. But I really don't see penetration being a real problem with a good stone head. I am sure Claude can come up with a good design. He is definitely a master knapper.
Wayne
Justin Snyder:
Wayne, the ribs are much thicker. However, stone points have smashed through femurs and even skulls of pigs, bovine and elk, and kept going. Dr Ashby did studies on lethal shots for buffalo, (not bison). According to the tests, quartering toward you shot right behind the scapula was 100%. broadside was just over 70%.
Here is Dr Ashby's graph.
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Justin Snyder:
You can see that quartering shots clearly let the points slip between the ribs. Soo much testing has been done with metal points, and it is a great place to start with stone.
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