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water/cape buffulo with stone points........ has it been done??
Justin Snyder:
It has been done with wood bows and metal points, so I am 100% convinced that the right stone will do it. Some of Cowboys raw Texas chert.
As for shot placement, I will defer to Paul Brunner, who has shot several water buff and several cape buff.
"Here is what I do on Buff... Go to the ELBOW. Go up from there a good, solid 8 to 10 inches. NOW GO FORWARD AT LEAST 4 INCHES!!!!!!! That is the V formed by the leg bone when it goes up and FORWARD from the elbow and then up and back to the scapula (shoulder blade). This puts your arrow in the CENTER of the lungs where all the arteries bunch up.
DO NOT GO TO THE ELBOW AND BACK...YOU WILL BE SCREWING UP ROYALLY!"
If that doesn't convince you look at this skeleton. The shape and thickness of the ribs make the shot placement obvious.
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otis.drum:
justin, i agree with what your saying, and yes i've seen the skelletons and many pictures and autopsy photos. i've also seen the real thing in the wild, close up and personal. i agree that the spot your talking of is the place to aim (ribs are thinner and spaced further plus centre of vitals), but until someone can test successfully on downed beasts i don't think it should be done on live ones. there are still ribs in 'the spot', and the beast clint shot was a cow. not a bull and not a herd bull. big difference there too. would you mind if you only wounded one? say leaving it to suffer a long drawn out death. because to say you would do it anyday means your willing to do so, and you can't be 100% sure of the stones ability unless it's been tried and tested.
don't get me wrong. i hope you get a chance at it some day, and i hope you succeed. but i also hope you or someone has tested first. i'd love a chance at it myself if and when i'm confident it's doable.
Justin Snyder:
--- Quote from: otis.drum on December 21, 2009, 01:47:18 pm ---and you can't be 100% sure of the stones ability unless it's been tried and tested.
--- End quote ---
I completely understand what you are saying, but it is hunting and there is no such thing as 100% sure. I hope you guys keep testing on buff, I don't have that luxury. I have shot through heavy bones to see what would happen. If I got the chance tomarrow the answer is YES, I have enough faith in the stone to take the shot. I would be really picky about the shot, but I would shoot.
otis.drum:
justin that's a fair call.
there is never 100% in hunting, poor comment by me. and i know clints testing wasn't thorough enough to end the argument. he would need hundreds of heads in different shapes, weights, attachments etc to cover all bases. but they do need to be able to withstand a rib or scapular, and at the moment it stands at 100% failure.
i'd like to see some different varieties of stone tested. something less brittle perhaps. would this in turn sacrafice some degree of sharpness?
are there stronger ways of attaching the heads to the shaft? if the stone can handle the bone, it looks like it may be the next weak spot.
anyway, here's hoping it can be done.
zeNBowyer:
Wow that skeleton says it all, that is suprising to see that much armour on the beast,
I'm familiar with anatomy but I never would have thought they were that strongly constructed,
hats off to the bowyer that takes that beast down:)
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