Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: zeNBowyer on October 20, 2009, 05:24:57 pm
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Just got my shipment of 500 shafts from Meadows, and by reccomendation I ordered the 3/8ths size,
I'm no expert with bamboo shafts but I would be very suprised if more than 20% of these shafts would spine out stiff enough for my 50-60 # bows, this might be an expensive mistake, the shipping was more than the stakes~
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Made up a starter arrow from this pile of bamboo to see how they fly,
wow
There is something very unique about bamboo, these shafts should be folding over but they flew like steel darts and hit with authority, smacking the target, went from a 53# bow all the way up to 60# and a 175 gr arrow tip weight waiting for a slap or break but the heaviest tip shot straight and true, even though I didn't get all the kinks out perfectly,
and the self nocks are suprisingly strong,
seems to be a heavy shaft, can see why they hunt so good now:)
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We told you so! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;)
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That is why Chris Cade and a few of us hunt with longer arrows. Tonkin, even spined heavy will work in different weight bows.
Did you accidently find the stiff side or did you know how to find it?
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I'll take my crow with a kamakazi, thanks:)
zeNBowyer
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Sounds interesting, no, how do you check for the strong side?
Wondering if you guys sand these down or keep the natural outer layer on them, these look like they need to be cleamed up
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;D If you don't know how to find the stiff side, you need to or you will make a bunch of crazy flying arrows.
You can take a shaft and lean one end on a coffee table and the other on the floor. Apply pressure with the palm of your hand in the center of the shaft. Just enough to bow the shaft a little. Now roll your palm and shaft slowly. When you hit the stiff side it will flip real quick. Mark this spot where it flips and cut your nocks so this side is against your bow.
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And, you can sand them down till they look like a carbon shaft.
Looks like we were both typing at the same time.
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On the sanding until they look like a carbon shaft....Are their signs that you might be sanding too much? i.e how do you know how much can you thin a shaft before you hurt it's integrity. Sorry if I'm Hijacking Zen'....
Nate Danforth
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I have sanded the Nodes completely off....Mine are Painted with Flat Black Krylon....and from a couple foot away....they look just like a Store Bought Carbon Arrow! I have only broke one....and that was because I heated it too much while bending it.... :-[
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No problem, NID:)
man these nodes are difficult to bend without heat damage/breakage, a real skill,
I put a half dozen together to see how they group
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The best shaft weighed out at 570 grains with a 80 gr footing, no broadhead, so this will weigh out @ 740 grs with a typical 170 gr head,
compared to my carbons @ 490 gr total with 175 gr head
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Good looking arrows,Cain is a lot of work but worth it when you are finished. :)
Pappy
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I also bought a bundle in 3/8" cost $76 delivered, one dozen finished POC arrows will cost that much so even if
only 20% of 500 make a good arrow thats 100 arrows :) Sounds like a deal in my book plus they are 10 times tougher
than POC :)
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WellI'm pretty sure most of my stakes are underspined, thinking about ordering the next size up
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WellI'm pretty sure most of my stakes are underspined, thinking about ordering the next size up
Under Spined.... ???.....Most of the Ones that I have pulled out of My Half Bundle have been between 60-90 pounds so far...and it looks like some may go well over that!
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yours didn't come from Ben Meadows, El D.
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I order all mine from Ben meadows.. sometimes no matter where you get them you will get some bundles that have allot of really small ones.. But you should be able to get at least a 100 shafts that will work for you out of them..
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I order all mine from Ben meadows.. sometimes no matter where you get them you will get some bundles that have allot of really small ones.. But you should be able to get at least a 100 shafts that will work for you out of them..
Think thats what I got David, I can gaurantee I will get more than 100 :)
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after shooting tonken arrows that i got from mr. David, i wanna try that. i know how to streighten and fletch and cut nocks and everything, just need something to practice on, and a spine tester. ;D
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Just curious, why would you order the next size up if these are flying well for you?
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The good thing about living near the Bamboo Supply is I get to look and choose which bundles I want. And they have given me bundles that have split open for free. ;D
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I went with Ben Meadows as the shipping was cheaper than Bamboo supply, guess I'm just cheap eh :)
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I have yet to get them done, but I got some tonkin from Bamboo and Rattan Works. We've used them many times for rattan for kids bows. I've had people tell me to get the 8-10mm, 4 footers, then cull them out. The helpful fella at B&RW recommended I go with a 6 ft length that's 10-12mm on the big end, then glean your arrow from within that stake. You'll get more good 'uns. I believe I actually will get more keepers this way. I have a bunch straightened and sanded and cut to about 3-4 feet right now, just haven't gotten them done yet. I'll post pics when I do. Hmmm, maybe if some of you folks come to MOJam next summer, there'll be some sorted bundles of nice straight shafts in the auction or ready for trade. ;)
p.s. This has nothing to do with suppliers, just the info on using 6 footers.
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Scattershot
their you go applying logic:)
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Yeh, sorry. ;)
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Well just got some shafts in from a commercial supplier to see what the pros do with bamboo shafts-man these look great when they are properly straightened and sanded, oooh lah lah, I am suprised to find out how narrow the diameter is spined for my 60# bow, looks like I was totally wrong on this shipment from Meadows, most of what I got is right on for shafts after all, these shafts are no larger than my carbons, these are 33," self- nocks, danged if I can get a good close-up pic to turn out, and 170 gr trade points, they are little thinner than I expected but will def do the job, and weight out to 600 grs
U don't learn to bend boo in a day~
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If anyone wants to go in on a bundle of 500 anytime message me and we can go halves. I will probably order some within the month if I don't hear back from anyone, need something to learn in Jan while I'm inside hidin' from the cold.
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If anyone wants to go in on a bundle of 500 anytime message me and we can go halves. I will probably order some within the month if I don't hear back from anyone, need something to learn in Jan while I'm inside hidin' from the cold.
Never mind they weren't as much as I thought they were, just got the 3/8" at 4 L from the title.
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where are you located Michael,I might be interested.
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where are you located Michael,I might be interested.
I'm in Broken Arrow OK, I don't mind shipping them to you if you want to throw in half the price I paid for the whole lot it was right at 78.47. I thought it was going to be 70 + shipping, so I was a little hesitant to buy them, but that's still a lot cheaper than arrows :)
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That's not bad at all.I think I'll order a bundle as well.Thanks
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This is a heavy box, holy cow. I thought they were jacking up the shipping on this but not now ;D Yeah it's a good price Shikari if you can swing the 70+ I would do it, can't pass up deals like that and it looks like these will last me till I can't pull a bow back any more.
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I love bamboo but also have 300+ wood shafts in various materials sitting here so I am really debating if I should get some or not,lol
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Shikari, I do believe you will find that hands down bamboo will, out last, and out shoot, wood shafts. The bamboo, is simply stronger, and takes more abuse, and doesn't need to be restraightned any where near as often. They stay straight for a long time. Not as prone to warping as wood is. Take a look at the picture of the guy, bending a piece of Tonkin almost back onto itself, and it did not break, try that with sitka spruce, or Port Orford cedar. It is on one of the pages on this site. I have seen some beautiful arrows on here, but talk to the guys who swear by boo, and I think you will see that they are very passionate in their beliefs of boos superiority. Like someone on here, said, boo is nature' crbon fiber. ;) But if you have so many wood shafts, by all means use them, but make up a dozen or so boo arrows, and I think you will use them for your hunting arrows. I am no expert, but I do see more and more converts on here, and the arrows I have seen up close and personal, are absolutely beautiful, and deadly. I am in a slump stage at the moment on making some boo arrows, but once I get my knapping improved, I will be all jazzed up to put some points on some boo. I have some shafts, I have been straightening, and I cut some japanese arrow boo, awhile back, and letting it dry. So if I can get my skills up to par, then, I will be making some boo arrows, for my move to Montana, in June or July.
Wayne