Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: Predictable on July 17, 2015, 09:48:29 pm
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i was reading on making your own arrows, and a lot of people like to buy nails and sharpen them. has anyone tried these?
(http://i5.walmartimages.com/dfw/dce07b8c-73a0/k2-_4c4a5447-7935-4136-b02b-317a99595f4c.v1.jpg)
(they're cheap, 3 dollars for what looks like ~12).
i don't hunt, just target shooting. i was thinking of fixing these to the front of wooden dowels of the same diameter. seems like they'd work nice. any opinions?
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I am trying them(or something like them) on boo arrows.
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,28697.135.html
Second to last post
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This would be better suited to the arrows page, but my answer is the same regardless of the questions location.
I tried fixing the to dowels with poor results. Drilling out a dowel is just too much for it to retain it's strength. The point almost has to go over the wood or like a stone point inserted into a slit and wrapped well with sinew or the like.
I do use them with good results in bamboo shafting. The hole is already there it just needs widened a bit. I try to do it just ahead of a natural node as they are stronger than the straight sections between them. After adjusting the fit, just glue them in with an expanding glue(like gorilla) and stick them in. I wrap a little sinew or silk behind it just to be safe. There a number of good tutorials on how to make bamboo arrows with cheap garden stakes from a hardware store. They would be in the arrow section.
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This would be better suited to the arrows page, but my answer is the same regardless of the questions location.
I tried fixing the to dowels with poor results. Drilling out a dowel is just too much for it to retain it's strength. The point almost has to go over the wood or like a stone point inserted into a slit and wrapped well with sinew or the like.
I do use them with good results in bamboo shafting. The hole is already there it just needs widened a bit. I try to do it just ahead of a natural node as they are stronger than the straight sections between them. After adjusting the fit, just glue them in with an expanding glue(like gorilla) and stick them in. I wrap a little sinew or silk behind it just to be safe. There a number of good tutorials on how to make bamboo arrows with cheap garden stakes from a hardware store. They would be in the arrow section.
i've been on the arrow page all day and i posted this here. wow.
question: what do you meant by "Drilling out a dowel is just too much for it to retain it's strength", do you mean the dowel will split? or the field point pop off?
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I am trying them(or something like them) on boo arrows.
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,28697.135.html
Second to last post
regarding your post in the other thread, did you glue in place the screw extension then thread in the field point, or did you also glue in place the field point for extra strength?
PS: smart idea with the screw extensions, i didn't even know those existed, thanks!
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Duplex nail points work great on bamboo and cane. I've never tried them with dowels.
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:-[ Sorry for being a smart a$$. It's my first serious "log on" of the day and I hadn't gotten to the arrows forum yet. My bad.
I would have answered it anyway, but you got it quicker this way. :laugh:
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Oh and to answer the question, in my case the dowels were splitting, usually on misses that hit ground but not always. I spit one on a dense foam 3d target as well. I tried reinforcing them but they started to look bulky up front.
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regarding your post in the other thread, did you glue in place the screw extension then thread in the field point, or did you also glue in place the field point for extra strength?
PS: smart idea with the screw extensions, i didn't even know those existed, thanks!
I just glued the extension into the arrow. I have six test arrows that I use to determine the spine needed for a new bow. I thought it would be nice to be able to change the tip to try different weight. Duplex nails didn't lend themselves to that very well. Since I'm not real confident in the screw extensions because the boo needs to be drilled out a little more than with the nails I'll only use them in my test arrows for a while. If you work in an office that has been around for a while, rustle through the drawers of an old desk. These extension bolts were the standard for binders back when people used binders.
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:-[ Sorry for being a smart a$$. It's my first serious "log on" of the day and I hadn't gotten to the arrows forum yet. My bad.
I would have answered it anyway, but you got it quicker this way. :laugh:
haha, you weren't at fault, i was just saying that i couldn't believe i posted my question to "Bows" instead of "Arrows", considering how much time i spent over at Arrows today.
thanks for the reply BTW.
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I like the chicago screw Idea for bamboo.
I was experimenting with drilling out the primer on old shell casings. The diameter of the shell casing at the bottom fits 11/32 shaft. I'm going to go buy some chicago screw ext. And try and solder or glue them into the shell casing, kind of like a home-made top hat. I'll try and post pics of my experiment.
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Any that I've seen are aluminum, so soldering is out. :(
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Here are two field point ideas for cane and hardwood shoot arrows, The one for hardwood shoots can be used for dowel arrows. It is a strip of metal as wide as the shaft and an inch or 2 long. For cane this is a 16d common nail with a blob of brazing added and shaped into a cone with a file and drill...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/primitive%20archer/targetpointsforprimitivearrows002.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/primitive%20archer/targetpointsforprimitivearrows002.jpg.html)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/primitive%20archer/targetpointsforprimitivearrows003.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/primitive%20archer/targetpointsforprimitivearrows003.jpg.html)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/primitive%20archer/targetpointsforprimitivearrows004.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/primitive%20archer/targetpointsforprimitivearrows004.jpg.html)
You can add screw on points to cane but I wouldn't bother trying to bore a straight hole in the center of a doweled shaft.
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Here are two field point ideas for cane and hardwood shoot arrows, The one for hardwoood...
Appreciate the info and pics.
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The store bought points you pictured are mane for and will work much better on aluminum or carbon arrows. For wooden arrows I think you will get much better results with the traditional points that fit over the tapered end of your shaft. Still store bought but you will probably have to order them from a traditional archery dealer unless you have one near you. I am sure there are some here who advertise with Primitive Archer. Kenneth
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Kenneth, did you recognize the strip metal point in the pics I posted. It is one you sent me a few years back.
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Yep they look familiar, do you need more of either type. I need to get some more made up. I think I will order 50 of the bamboo shafts from china and will need some cool points for them. Been going thru lots of arrows lately made a dozen and am already down to eight. If I am not careful I won't have enough to hunt with. Have a good one Pat.
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How/Where do you order shafts from China, if you don't mind?
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I found the ones I use on amazon. They were listed a 3/8" bamboo garden stakes 36". I got 500 for $70. I would say around half of them are choice raw shafting and about a 1/4 were usable with serious work. The other 1/4 will be used in non-arrow projects. If you don't mind the work involved with sorting and finishing raw shafts it was a great deal. It should be a few years before I need to order more.
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I have not bought any yet but I found them on ebay. Straightened, spine matched, tempered, very straight and uniform looking, long between the nodes, the seller represents them to be very high quality. Cost is 130.00 dollars for fifty after air shipping. Less than three dollars each, about what you would spend on cedar from three rivers. If you want matched bamboo arrows it makes more sense to me than spending countless hours to get a few almost matched arrows.
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I actually enjoyed the sorting and preparation. To each their own I guess. I enjoy doing everything from as close to scratch as I can get. Plus the $.23 a piece I paid was hard to pass up. I was happy with what I got for that price, knowing I had the time to prep raw shafts.
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Oh I hear ya brother, and they do make nice arrows. Kenneth