Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: n2everythg on August 20, 2008, 05:19:17 pm
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I have studied this thread and others:
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,5196.15.html
and saw pat do the 2 fletch up at his bday. but still miffed a bit.
Can someone pls help out.
biggest issue I think I have is the Rt Lft thing and which feather should be canted which way.
Can someone confirm that these are both right wing secondaries: or are they left?????
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s142/n2everythg/BowBuilding/feathers002.jpg)
then can you tell me if I am canting them the correct direction here?
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s142/n2everythg/BowBuilding/feathers003.jpg)
seems like they should have gone the other way and I should have stripped off the other side as it doenst seem as stiff as the side I did strip off.
Do I need to start with another 2 feathers or just strap them down.
thanks in advance.
Wade
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Brother, I'll only tell you what I know and then someone else who might have done it before can tell you for sure.
Those look to me like left secundary and I have never made 2-fletch arrows before but I do plan on doing it soon, and when I do, I would do it just like you are right there. As far as I see you're going about it alright.
As far as right and left wing--I can tell you this for sure: The curvature of the feather contours to the body of the bird, so the feathers never curve outward, but lay down flat and smooth along the body of the bird. And notice the feathers then would either curve up or down. As they lay on the bird, obviously the quill end points toward the head of the bird. Now, notice the feather then could either curve up or down as it lays flat with the quill pointing to the head, depending on which wing you have it on. In this position it will curve upward. Does this help?
If not let me know. Or Google a pic of a turkey and look at the feather curvature.
~~Papa Matt
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I think you are probably correct and these are left secondaries. I can figure out the primaries easy but havnt figured out the secondaries yet. BUT... If I hold them along my left shoulder the stiffest part of the feather side is in an upward position. which would relate to the back of the wing if outstreached. and seems to me that logically makes the most sense that to fly the stiffest part of the feather would have to be back. I think anyway.... ????'
If that is the case and these are Lefties... then I have the helical wrong.. I have it twisting to the right as you look from nock to point.
that correct... meaning that I'm wrong and need to start again?
thanks
wade
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I think I know what you mean and I don't think you are incorrect. In other words, you cut the longer, stiffer hair of the feather and you think you have it upside down? I wouldn't worry about it if this is the case. The hair on the side of the feather that you trimmed are a tad longer and are the stiffer ones, but those are trimmed, so to me, that is OK because it will compensate for them being trimmed back.
The way you are doing it is how I have planned to do it, I just had a hand injury a while back and haven't done it yet. But I would strap them down like you have them and start shooting.
I could be wrong though, cause like I said I've never made one yet. But I've fletched and shot enough arrows to believe you're going about it ok.
~~Matt
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thanks papa...
guess the proof is in the flight huh?
N2
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pretty sure those are left wing. in that 1st pic see how the bottom is frayed, giving me the impression that they were dragged along the ground...
can't help with two fletch as I've never done it.
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Those are left-wing feathers. Imagine them on an outstretched wing. I would have stripped the other side and helicaled them in the opposite direction.
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Thanks steve.
Was hoping that was right as that is exactly what I ended up doing.
Flew great least in my basement at 10 yds. will try them at longer dist tomorrow and post some finished pics.
thanks again.
wade
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Still doesnt seem like I have it quite right.
Check out these pics pls and let me know what you think. Any changes needed before I complete more arrows?
Too dark to shoot them right now Tomorrow will try them out and see how they fly.
thanks
wade
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s142/n2everythg/BowBuilding/feathers005.jpg)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s142/n2everythg/BowBuilding/feathers004.jpg)
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By George, I think you've got it. 8) I had to play around with different feathers and twists before I found the one that flew best for me. I ended up cutting the fletching closer to the quill to eliminate the feather noise, not that there is anything wrong with it. ;D It was for my satisfaction.
You might want to add a bit more wrap around the shaft below your point. That area takes a lot of abuse when it hits something. Pat
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Looks like you've got it, like Pat said now that you have the basic configuration down, adjust and experiment until it works for you. Looking at pics of old Eastern Woodland arrows, there's a lot of variation from person to person in the way they did it, too.
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thanks guys. hope to get out to try them out today.
gotta get done with this nasty work thing first.
thanks for pointing out the sparse wrap too pat. will beef it up some.
let you know how they fly.
later
wade
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Looking good Wade, here's one that I did with turkey tail feathers. This thing flies great.
(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/AlanShook/100_2333.jpg)
(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/AlanShook/100_2335.jpg)
(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/AlanShook/100_2334.jpg)
(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/AlanShook/100_2332.jpg)
Alan
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Made up one this afternoon. Shot great, but sounded like a flu flu. Going to try and get the feathers tighter and down on the shaft more tomorrow.
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Alan, those with the tail feathers look great. I'll have to try some. I just happen to have a bag of tail feathers left over from the camp-o-rama. ;D
SS, trim down the fletching height a bit and see if that doesn't help. Like this...
...the second pic is what they looked like initially.
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Wow allen those turned out beautiful. Very nicely done. Like your points as well.
Have you tied on that nice little quartz point you knapped out at schiele? that would look excellent on those arrows.
think I need to cut mine down just a bit more. also will have to try to use some tail feathers. they look great!
when using tail feathers how do you decide which side to strip off and which direction to cant the feathers?
will post some pics later today of the ones I made up.
wade
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Very nice job.
One thing I would change, though, is that I would put the feathers on to where they are parallel with the bow and bowstring when nocked. I think this helps with stabilizing them quicker.
Sean
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Thanks Pat, yeah try the tail feathers they work great. I thought I left some feathers somewhere! :D
Thanks Wade. I put that quartz point on but don't have it fletched yet. I'll post some pics of it and several more arrows when I finish them up. The tail feathers work the same, just use two from the same side of the tail. When I'm looking at the feather first tied on and facing backwards I strip the bottom part. Maybe I'll post some pics of how I'm doing it.
Alan
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well here are some completed. 10 here. somehow I missed one shaft when building them. It was laying up on a shelf... hummm wierd.
turned out pretty good I think. course they still havnt passed the final flight test. that happens soon as I am done typing this.
got 10 completed. 2 fletch. tied on with sinew. covered with pat's special pitch varnish.
9 cane and one vibernium shoot that was kicking round the shop from the last build.
they all spined in between 49 - 52.
finished weights between 586 gr and 650 gr.
4 field points and 6 stone. ready for hunting now.
dialed in and ready.
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s142/n2everythg/BowBuilding/arrows001.jpg)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s142/n2everythg/BowBuilding/arrows005.jpg)
course now I have to finish off these which are all spined in for my 42 lb short bow. :)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s142/n2everythg/BowBuilding/arrows006.jpg)
CU
wade
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well I had one funky flyer out of the 10. down to 9 I guess but that should be nuf for now.
unfortunately the funky flyer was also my personal favorite knapped head. its the one closest to the right made out of some TX chert I think.
prob the shaft tho I think and not the point causing the issue.
Sean -
I agree with your comment. I would haft the 2 fletch parallel to Bow string. Find that the end of the quill is chewing up my strike plate and seems to bounce just a hair off the rest.
other than that Love them.
wade
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Wade, try flipping the funky arrow over and see how it shoots. Sometimes that does the trick but sometime you make stumping arrows out of them...or sell them to the tourist as authentic. ;D >:D
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Did you check to make sure that the point is still spinning true? If they're a bit wobbly the shaft will fly screwy sometimes.