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Title: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: Jake Spoon on April 07, 2024, 04:52:59 pm
Hello all,

I have been working on tillering this maple board bow. It is 66" ntn, 1.75" at the fades, tapering to 1/2" tips.

It is currently drawing about 32# at 16". I'm at a point where I have to call it quits for the weekend, and I was hoping I could get a few more eyes to look this thing over. To my inexperienced self, I believe the mid/outer limbs are too stiff, particularly on the left hand side.

Also, there is a bit of a twist on the right side that I need to address.

Would you care to give me some feedback on this before I proceed later this week? I really would appreciate it!

- Jake
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: Pappy on April 07, 2024, 07:59:58 pm
To be honest it looks pretty good to me, I would carry on if it was mine. :)
 Pappy
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: WhistlingBadger on April 07, 2024, 10:05:50 pm
Alright, I am terrible at tillering, but for the sake of learning:  The left limb looks perfect to me, and the right looks good too, but they don't quite match.  Is the inner right limb a little stiff?  That's where I'd remove a bit of wood.  Curious what everybody else says.

But when in doubt, go with what Pappy says.   ;D
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: bjrogg on April 07, 2024, 10:22:17 pm
I think I agree with your assessment.

I also agree with Pappy. I think the tiller looks pretty good so far. I think you are on the right track.

Does seem to me that mid and outer a little stiff left limb. Maybe just outer right. It looks really close.

Bjrogg
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: superdav95 on April 08, 2024, 02:04:23 am
I think I agree with your assessment.

I also agree with Pappy. I think the tiller looks pretty good so far. I think you are on the right track.

Does seem to me that mid and outer a little stiff left limb. Maybe just outer right. It looks really close.

Bjrogg

+1.  Mid and outers on left just a little. 
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: Kidder on April 08, 2024, 02:10:49 am
+2 for right limb mid and outer being stiff.
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: willie on April 08, 2024, 03:49:25 am
differences in bend are not easy to spot in the "whole" sometimes but become easier with tracing techniques
examples
make tracings of the back on cardboard behind the tillertree
compare segments of the limb with a straight edge
flip the bow end for end and view the bow against the tracing

make a tracing of the bow at rest in order to monitor set as you tiller out further
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: WhistlingBadger on April 08, 2024, 10:15:21 am
differences in bend are not easy to spot in the "whole" sometimes but become easier with tracing techniques
examples
make tracings of the back on cardboard behind the tillertree
compare segments of the limb with a straight edge
flip the bow end for end and view the bow against the tracing

make a tracing of the bow at rest in order to monitor set as you tiller out further

If I ever get my garage cleaned up enough to move my tree inside, I really want to put a grid on the wall behind it.  I think that would be a lot easier.  It makes me appreciate our ancestors who could do this basically just with floor tillering.  I have a terrible time seeing anything like this that way.  It must take a ton of experience.
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: Will B on April 08, 2024, 07:00:04 pm
I agree with pappy and think it looks good. I would continue on and best of luck with it.
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: Jake Spoon on April 09, 2024, 12:04:34 am
Thanks everyone for the input!

I worked a little bit this evening on trying to get everything evened up.

Here's the current progress.
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: superdav95 on April 09, 2024, 12:20:11 am
looking good!  looks better to my eye
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: Pappy on April 09, 2024, 09:44:36 am
Looks like you got it a little father out, looking very good to these old eyes.  :) Slow and easy. :)
 Pappy
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: Pat B on April 09, 2024, 12:33:28 pm
Looking good to me too. If you haven't chosen a top/bottom limb yet I'd say the left limb looks a bit stiffer so it could be the bottom.
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: NonBacked on April 09, 2024, 12:37:43 pm
Jake, your bow’s tiller is certainly good enough to move forward. You haven’t told us what your goal is for draw length or draw weight. If you’re planning on a 40 or 45lb bow, it’s time to pull it to that weight. If there are “small” tiller tweaks that could be made, the additional strain will help identify those areas. You’re doing a good job and I’m sure you’ll have a lot of fun with your bow.
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: medicinewheel on April 15, 2024, 02:57:58 pm

Does seem to me that mid and outer a little stiff left limb. Maybe just outer right. It looks really close.


+1

Left is lower limb I reckon?
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: Jake Spoon on April 16, 2024, 11:28:23 pm
Hey everybody, thank you for the feedback on this bow.


Alas! I have been thwarted once again. I was originally shooting for 35-40#s at 27." I had it tillered out to 24" and drawing 38# when it broke into 4 pieces.

It hadn't taken much set . . . I think I can attribute this failure to board selection? . . . much like the hickory board I broke previously.

I was given some good advice in that thread to try and get my hands on a stave to work with. I was working on this board because I already had it. I have traded for a piece of osage in the meantime and I believe I will take a little break until I have it in hand. Thank you all again for your feedback!!

- Jake
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: Muskyman on April 17, 2024, 02:05:56 am
That really sucks Jake. Hope the Osage works out better for you. I think it will. It’s tough wood and I’d bet you’ll do well with it.
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: medicinewheel on April 17, 2024, 04:26:23 am
Damn...
Looks like bad grain orientation from the picture.
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: Pappy on April 17, 2024, 09:37:37 am
That stinks, been there done that and it always stinks. :)
 Pappy
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: superdav95 on April 17, 2024, 10:10:32 am
ya that does suck. but the experience you gleaned from this failure will make you a better bowyer for the next one.  keep at it and keep us posted with the next piece of wood
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: bjrogg on April 17, 2024, 11:22:00 pm
ya that does suck. but the experience you gleaned from this failure will make you a better bowyer for the next one.  keep at it and keep us posted with the next piece of wood


I agree. Your tiller looked pretty good. I think you will be successful with a nice stave. It looks like the grain ran off the side too much on that board.

Bjrogg
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: WhistlingBadger on April 18, 2024, 11:21:17 am
Oooooo, that always hurts.  Looks like you had some pretty bad grain runoff.  Tillering was looking great.  Time to get a new piece of wood and get back on the horse.
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: Badger on April 18, 2024, 12:07:15 pm
Jake, your bow’s tiller is certainly good enough to move forward. You haven’t told us what your goal is for draw length or draw weight. If you’re planning on a 40 or 45lb bow, it’s time to pull it to that weight. If there are “small” tiller tweaks that could be made, the additional strain will help identify those areas. You’re doing a good job and I’m sure you’ll have a lot of fun with your bow.
These are my thoughts also.
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: Selfbowman on April 20, 2024, 12:09:39 pm

Does seem to me that mid and outer a little stiff left limb. Maybe just outer right. It looks really close.


+1

+ 2

Left is lower limb I reckon?
Title: Re: Tiller check - Pyramid Maple Bow
Post by: organic_archer on April 26, 2024, 10:43:41 am
Ah, bummer! Tiller was going well, but it looks like the board had too much runout. Gotta be real picky with unbacked boards. "Close enough" grain is usually a recipe for disaster, especially with maple.