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Title: Stave sources drying up
Post by: JW_Halverson on July 30, 2022, 09:14:52 pm
Between shipping getting so expensive and my stave sources drying up, I have kinda run out of osage sources. I found one guy on Facebook, but he's asking $190 a stick and that's for run-of-the-mill stuff, nothing special!!!

It is at the point that I am looking for someone that has a large stock and I'll drive to get it! I figger that if I drive somewhere with this new KIA that gets pretty good gas mileage, I will come out well ahead of the game buying a dozen or more staves.

Anyone got a stack they wanna sell or know of someone?
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: bjrogg on July 30, 2022, 09:29:07 pm
I really miss the primitive archery meet in Michigan for so many things I bought and traded for. Shipping is so expensive for stuff like staves and rock. I learned after my first meet. Take any fun money I could scrape together. Fill the tank with gas when I get there so I have enough to get home . And spend the rest.

It’s so much nicer to see what you are getting. To talk with the people. Become life long friends. It’s the best way I know of to buy or trade for stuff I can’t find myself.

JW I don’t really have any Osage I d be willing to give up, but if you want to drive the KIA here I can hook you up with some pretty nice HHB

Bjrogg
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: scp on July 30, 2022, 11:25:02 pm
I would love to visit a hedge post company somewhere, but the one in Kansas is over a thousand miles away from me. I sure hope its owner to get interested in wooden bow making or to go into bow stave business.
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: Eric Krewson on July 31, 2022, 09:53:57 am
Driving to Mojam would be your best bet for picking up a lot of staves, of course you will have to wait until next year now.
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: PaulN/KS on July 31, 2022, 10:42:18 am
Driving to Mojam would be your best bet for picking up a lot of staves, of course you will have to wait until next year now.

Yep, plenty of hedge at Mojam... there's also Ojam in March down in Oklahoma.
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: osage outlaw on July 31, 2022, 05:17:58 pm
I haven't cut much osage for the last few years.  I kind of got burnt out on it.  I've sold most of the good stuff I had on hand.  The new shipping charges on long packages has made me want to not ship anymore staves. 
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: JW_Halverson on August 01, 2022, 01:00:09 pm
Driving to Mojam would be your best bet for picking up a lot of staves, of course you will have to wait until next year now.

I was told not a single stave dealer was at Mojam this year. The person stated that they thought the gas prices kept them away. That leaves me scratching my head since they probably didn't have to drive over 200 miles and I was looking at dropping at least $1K on staves after driving for a minimum 12 hours and 800 miles one way! But now I have started a new job and have no availability for time off until winter and I just need to get my plans made.

SCP, Kansas is some of the closest wood to me, care to divulge your source?

Bjrogg, HHB is a wood I have always coveted and have never used. I am interested, that's for sure. Hit me with a private message, let's talk. Who knows, I might do an extended trip through Illinois/Indiana and up to Michigan if I have to!

 
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: JW_Halverson on August 01, 2022, 01:07:38 pm
I haven't cut much osage for the last few years.  I kind of got burnt out on it.  I've sold most of the good stuff I had on hand.  The new shipping charges on long packages has made me want to not ship anymore staves.

That's tough news for me, for sure. I have always had implicit trust in your judgment in wood. Every stick from you has been reliable stuff. But I get it, I understand being burnt out. Even becoming burnt out on something that you deeply love and kind of defines you. I have not told a whole lot of people this and I have certainly not gone into depth with more than three people, but this spring I resigned from the nonprofit I started and I am no longer associated with the Black Hills Raptor Center whatsoever. The wound is still fresh and bleeding, but I am not regretting the decision since it was what I had to do to save myself.  Clint, do what YOU have to do to maintain your mental health and balance. You ain't no good to yourself and those that count on you if ya don't.

You have my utmost respect and admiration, as well as brotherly love.
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: PaulN/KS on August 01, 2022, 04:26:37 pm
Driving to Mojam would be your best bet for picking up a lot of staves, of course you will have to wait until next year now.

I was told not a single stave dealer was at Mojam this year. The person stated that they thought the gas prices kept them away.

There may not have been any "dealers" but there were plenty of guys,myself included, who had staves for sale. if Ojam happens next March there should be some guys selling staves there.
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: bownarra on August 02, 2022, 02:01:45 am
Think yourself lucky...getting osage here in the UK is no longer worth it. If you are just making bows for yourself fair enough....to get a stave here is best part of £150. Then is it going to be any good???

Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: JW_Halverson on August 02, 2022, 02:24:48 pm
Think yourself lucky...getting osage here in the UK is no longer worth it. If you are just making bows for yourself fair enough....to get a stave here is best part of £150. Then is it going to be any good???

Yeah, there is that one stave dealer in Hungary that has loads of it, but you are too far to drive over in the evening after work and pick through his pile. Though I have heard his quality is pretty good.
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: JW_Halverson on August 02, 2022, 02:26:05 pm
Driving to Mojam would be your best bet for picking up a lot of staves, of course you will have to wait until next year now.

I was told not a single stave dealer was at Mojam this year. The person stated that they thought the gas prices kept them away.

There may not have been any "dealers" but there were plenty of guys,myself included, who had staves for sale. if Ojam happens next March there should be some guys selling staves there.

I am gonna keep OJAM on my radar, but that is getting to be a VERY long drive.
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: Flntknp17 on August 02, 2022, 02:43:31 pm
This is what drove me to start working mostly on bamboo backed bows several years ago.....I can run down to the local sawmill or hardwood lumber store and find excellent hickory or hard maple for maybe $8 per bow stave or so.  I know it isn't quite as "cool" as osage staves, but it keeps me making durable bows for small $$
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: bownarra on August 03, 2022, 02:06:08 am
Yes ipe boards will be available for a while yet :)
BBI will make any bow.
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: bambule on August 03, 2022, 12:57:57 pm
Think yourself lucky...getting osage here in the UK is no longer worth it. If you are just making bows for yourself fair enough....to get a stave here is best part of £150. Then is it going to be any good???

Yeah, there is that one stave dealer in Hungary that has loads of it, but you are too far to drive over in the evening after work and pick through his pile. Though I have heard his quality is pretty good.

I´ve bought from that hungarian dealer some years ago - we bought a 1/4 truckload of staves with some friends - costs have been ~ 80 ,-€ per Stave an you could get 2 bows from one stave in most cases. One of our best professional Bowyers here in Germany gets his stuff from the hungarian source. It`s up to premium quality - even the normal once are pretty good.
But I´m not longer interessed in paying a lot of money for staves when I can get other wood for free or less money. I try to get the best out of the wood and I use methods like firehardening to get better wood. That work fine for me even that I know that Osage is fantastic stuff for wooden bows and as I always say: Osage likes to bend :-)

Greetz
Cord


PS: sorry for hijacking this thread
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: Dvshunter on August 03, 2022, 05:43:44 pm
Mojam will have osage next year for sure. I can guarantee it.
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: JW_Halverson on August 11, 2022, 08:39:48 pm
Mojam will have osage next year for sure. I can guarantee it.

Are you challenging me to be there? Don't threaten me with a good time!
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: Hawkdancer on August 22, 2022, 03:05:45 am
There may even be a double batch of MoJam Ale available!  If you are having severe withdrawal symptoms, I have a couple of Osage staves available!  Your choice!  Just a short hop down US 385 to Chappel, NE.
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: JW_Halverson on August 22, 2022, 12:10:50 pm
There may even be a double batch of MoJam Ale available!  If you are having severe withdrawal symptoms, I have a couple of Osage staves available!  Your choice!  Just a short hop down US 385 to Chappel, NE.
Hawkdancer

I was hooked up locally with someone that had a few for me. Meanwhile, I am thinking MoJam may just have to be on my radar for next year.

A run to Nebraska in the short term is something I might just consider. There is always the added benefit of swapping a few home brews and shooting the breeze.
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: ssrhythm on August 30, 2022, 11:08:12 am
Where do you live?  If you are willing to drive, just drive to SE Ohio, or Indiana or anywhere else Osage grows, look up property owners on OnX, and start knocking on some doors.  I haven’t found anyone yet that minded me going in and cutting a couple of Osage trees down, as most farmers/landowners see no value in them and often see them as a trash tree.  I haven’t cut any in two years, and I’ve got a bunch of staves, but the ones I have left are all twisty and are not very good.
Title: Re: Stave sources drying up
Post by: JW_Halverson on September 06, 2022, 07:27:46 pm
Where do you live?  If you are willing to drive, just drive to SE Ohio, or Indiana or anywhere else Osage grows, look up property owners on OnX, and start knocking on some doors.  I haven’t found anyone yet that minded me going in and cutting a couple of Osage trees down, as most farmers/landowners see no value in them and often see them as a trash tree.  I haven’t cut any in two years, and I’ve got a bunch of staves, but the ones I have left are all twisty and are not very good.

Cincinatti is a mere 17 hour drive for me. All else fails, I might just have to go to the Tennessee Classic. That's 16 hours, but at least I get to play with the fun kids!