Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Shooting and Hunting => Topic started by: paulc on December 05, 2008, 10:31:24 am
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How many of you guys have tried taking a feral hog with your primitive gear? I hunt Fort Stewart here in GA which has a ton of hogs on it. I got my first with rifle a week ago but would like to try for one with my osage bow. Any suggestions or lessons learned that apply to chasing hogs with stick bows? Anyone carry a pistol as backup? thanks, P
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I taken a few.. I will tell you that you can stalk up on them just keep the wind in your favor. A sow with little ones will be just about as mean as they come!! A large caliber pistol back up would not be a bad Idea..But it is not a must..I killed hundreds of hogs with a .22 rifle. And have seen a couple that I would not even consider!!! sticking a arrow in unless I was in a tree..lol..
Hunting hogs with a bow is just about the most fun I have ever had hunting..
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i killed one with a stone point back in august. he ran 20 yards with a heart shot. the best tip i can give is stick'em low, just over the elbow. any shot behind the front leg is usually a lost hog as that is where the gut starts.
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there is always a lot of debate about hogs and bows, and while i have only scored with shotgun, i have hunted them with bows,a nd shot dead hogs with a bow just to see what happened. my first shot at 15 yards hit the infamous sheild and penetrated about an inch. my second shot hit the guts and zipped straight through it. this was all with a 60# recurve and sharp two blade broadhead and a 210 pound pig. best advice i could give form that is take a quartering away shot if you can, if not shoot the smallest pig in the group, they taste better and are easier to penetrate. in the end though, yeah guys kill pigs with stick and string all the time. low and forward is good advice. i have seen a lot of pigs get away with a dead center height "deer" shot.
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Talk to Mullet and a few of the others. Eddie goes after Florida hogs all the time. Think there are a few guys in Georgia too.
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Yep, they are a lot of fun to hunt with a bow or a Jeep. Stick them where Chris said, it's not the same as a deer. And if you want one to eat, don't shoot the one with the big nipple in the middle of the belly. Brian Melton is coming down from Washington in Feb. and we are going to hunt them for a week. I've never carried a back-up pistol and when Chris and I were hunting them in Ga. the first time we were crawling and shooting most of them from 10 yards. My last one was a head shot at about 10'.
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Am I right when I say the heart is low and forward on hogs and the lungs are tiny compared to other animals?
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Yes. that's why a lot of hogs are lost. Head shots are the way to go. ;D ::) ;)
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Yes, Eddie we know. Head shots with your range rover at 60 mph! ;D
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this pic is pretty close with the vitals. i think the heart may be located a couple inches back over the elbow.
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Look at the size of that brain! Man thats as big as walnut. Tiny!!! No wonder they get pissed!!!!!
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What sort of power is necessary (from a bow) for a head shot on a hog?
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sledge hammer!!!
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sledge hammer!!!
How does that translate into bow-pounds ;D?
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Tie hammer to arrow and shoot!!!!! ;D
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Kegan, the one I shot was about 10' with a 60# bow. I was shooting 125grn. grizzley's. I have killed a boat-load of them with 22 rifles.
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Kegan.......Like Eddie said . I have killed more than I can remember with bows from #45 lbs ta #60 lbs. Ya need a good shot thats it. That translates inta like has been said............... head er eye. Never carried a back up pistol. Whats a pistol anyway ? ;D..bob
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Guys I think you need to break out some pictures to convince him!
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Looking at photos from one of the outfitters from another forum it looks a good number of the shots are taken forward and low to get the heart. These were all taken with traditional equipment.
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Thanks Bob and Eddie, if anyone would you, it would be you guys :). An eye shot's lethal on a hog?
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This thread has a couple proof photos, Eddie's friend Charlie also killed a big ol' sow with trad gear on this trip, but I didn't get a pic of it:
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,7723.0.html (http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,7723.0.html)
More:
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,2509.0.html (http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,2509.0.html)
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Kegan...........Yesiree eyes er ear ! Think what I would do ta you ! :o Course Eddies shot in middle of head will do it real good ! ;D,,,,bob
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Kegan...........Yesiree eyes er ear ! Think what I would do ta you ! :o Course Eddies shot in middle of head will do it real good ! ;D,,,,bob
Darni it, you've guys have gone and gotten me all excited for pig hunting now ;D!
The game commisoion was having trouble with feral hogs in some parts of PA... >:D
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I'm just waiting for them to show up in WA! They're spreading so fast I expect there will be local poppulations here in 10 - 15 years. YUM!!!!
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Tiller, be careful what you wish for. We had a sever problem with the buggers about a year ago. They were tearing up all our crops. Hunting them was not getting the job done so we started trapping them. We caught 63 hogs in a 4 week period in 2 traps not counting the ones killed by hunters. We had people huntin with dogs day and night and we finally have them under control. They're kind of like huntin deer around here now, they're still here but kinda under control for now.
John
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I hear ya! But they taste GOOOD!!!!
If I could go out my back door to hunt pigs on a daily basis I would be out there almost all the time.
64 pigs in two traps??? What did you do with all the meat?
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paulc, I've haven't taken any hogs with primitive equipment, but have killed four with traditional equipment. 55# recurve and RD longbow, very sharp 2blade broadhead. My theory on hogs is good close range shots. All of the hogs I've taken have been within 15yds and hit directly behind the shoulder, no higher than mid body. Even on a 150# boar, I got complete penetration of the broadhead (arrow stayed in) found hog 100yds away. I have also lost a few hogs with marginal hits (neck, high behind shoulder, and yes the mighty head shot) hogs are tough and if you don't hit them right, you won't find them very often.
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This is how they Hunt Hogs in the Texas Hill Country.............. >:D
Don't know about Crude....but efficient
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We have a few wild pigs running around up here in Da UP, couple of fenced in hunting places have them and
as my grandpa always told me "Ya can't fence in a pig"
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My god thats a lot of piggies! What did ya do with them all?
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My god thats a lot of piggies! What did ya do with them all?
Oh ....I didn't shoot these....this is from a Ranch Hunt here in Texas....where they tried to eradicate the little Buggers
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I hope they did not waste the meat. Man that would of fead a lot of people!
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I hope they did not waste the meat. Man that would of fead a lot of people!
It all went to ........The Hunters For The Hungry
It all gets processed and given to the Needy
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Yea? who cleaned them? those two guy's. ::) The ranch I hunt on, they get dragged to the Gut Pile. The weekend before I went down meat hunting, one guy shot 14 and they all got dumped. They told me hunting was going to suck. I shot 10 with a shot gun and 44 pistol. And only shot little sows. Good luck geting rid of them the way they breed.
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Eradicate them ! Ha ha ha ! Like Eddie said "good luck ' Though I think they will need more than that ! Eradicte them ! LOL ! :D.bob
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Hmmm!!! Food on the hoof. Tasty to boot! Why would you want to eradicate them? Kill em, butcher them and sell the meat on the internet!!!! ;)
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Tiller, hogs are one of the more destructive invasive species-they're fun to hunt and taste good, but they can tear hell out of an ecosystem and starve out/eat native species in a hurry. Here in the Smokies, the Park Service has spent umpteen thousands of dollars trying to eradicate or at least thin out the European wild boar population in the GSMNP. They have killed and trapped over ten thousand hogs just in the national park in the last twenty years or so, and the population is still growing and spreading. There are a lot of threatened habitats and rare/endangered species that the hogs are really taking a toll on. They'll eat almost anything they can catch or get to-plant, animal, whatever. The Russian boars are really hard to hunt here in these rugged mountains and thick woods, too-almost impossible without dogs. They are almost completely nocturnal. they stayed holed up in the rhododendron hells in the daytime, and come out at night to feed. I've seen acres of ground rooted up in only a couple nights, looked like you had taken a plow to the ground.
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I think we need to do our part- the Primtive Archer Hog Hunt and BBQ ;D!
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Anyone ever tried an Indian(asian) drive to force them into the center of a circle to eradicate. Bunch of people surround and arrea and start banging on pans or whatever to drive animals to the center. As they close in they bunch up and are easy pickings!
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I'd feel like a Dumb A##. ::)
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Why's that? Come on Eddie. You get to shoot 20 hogs or more at a time! ;D
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Tiller, you really need to get out and try and hunt some wild piggies. Pigs are a very aggressive animal and I'd venture to say the beating on pans thing won't work. I put a sneak attack on what I thought was a boar and a sow... when I shot the boar I thought I'd hit a hornets nest. There were at least 25 hogs that came from nowhere and were running straight for me. I unloaded the other 4 shots I had in my shotgun and was trying top reload and dodge pigs at the same time. It was a little hairy for a moment. I've only tried hunting them with stick and string a couple of times, but no luck.
To answer your question about the meat from the 63 we trapped, we gave most of it to friends and family, but there were a few that we couldn't give away so they went to waste. But when the buggers are tearing up your income it don't matter much. I will try to find some pictures of the crops they tore up and post them. Like Hillbilly said they are mostly nocturnal, but we have a permit that allows us to hunt them at night.
John
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Tiller let me underscore what Steve and Okie 1 said. I have been asked to hunt on a ranch that belongs ta a mitigation bank. Dr. Olsen told me last year they have killed over 2000 hawgs since 2001 on a mere 2700 acres and the hawgs are multiplying. The hawgs are TEARIN" the place up. Like 10,000 dollars worth of seedling trees. They were destroyed in ONE nite. BTW there is no insurance fer that or the loss of beef cattle that steps in a hole and has ta be destroyed by a rancher. Hawgs are not indigenous ta the north american continent. They were brought here ta southeast by the spanish in 1500's. Thus, like Steve said they are an invasive species that really have no natural enemies. Sure, panthers and yotes and wolves and snakes take some of the youngins but fer the most part they are unmolested. Gut piles are a fact of life on ranches and most beef cattle ranchers hate them cause they are so destructive. I did a night count with Chuck Olsen on a 4 wheel gator with 2 q-beams recently. We counted over thats OVER 200 hawgs in less than one hour in one spot. :o So much fer eradication and control. Good luck with yer asian roundup-aint gonna work hawgs are 2 damm fast and some will run and then theres those that WONT! Good luck with that make sure yer medical insurance is paid up and yer family is prepared fer ya not ta be around er tore up real bad. BTW hawgs are NEVER easy pickin when they is pissed. Trust me I have been huntin' em all my life. haha! Like Steve said like a plow hit the acreage er looks like a bomb crater.................bob
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I'm getting ready to set a trap in a buddies orange grove next week. They are rooting the grove up and eating all the low oranges. Wasting a lot of money , this is picking time. We are guessing by the tracks that there are about 40 hogs coming in every night. I've been baiting with corn and trying to hunt them, but I'm not going to sit out there all night for hogs. It's too easy somewhere else. When we catch them we will kill and butcher the sows, give away the shoats and cut the boar hogs and turn them loose.
And when the pan banging starts, are you going to be a pot and pan banger , or wade on in there? If you want some noisy hunting, if you ever get down here, I'll take you out one night with some good Bay and Catch dogs . And you can get in that big 10' high palmetto patch with the flying, gutted, dogs and catch one or stick him with a knife. It was fun when I was about 20 years old.
For some reason, we are seeing hogs everywhere down here this year. Almost every road I drive on has hogs in the ditches or the grass shoulders are rooted up. Right up to the city limits of almost every little town I drive through.
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Ok, ok I get it! It just seems like the Asians could wipe out large swaths of animals by doing this in the past. Its just a huge constricting circle with hunters spaced out amongst the drivers. Thought it might be a good idea.
I do want to hunt hogs one of these days Eddie. I agree one hundred percent we have to wipe as many of them out as we can. Just haven't got my chance yet.
Hmm! There has got to be a market for wild pig out there somewhere. Same with the Asian Carpe! If we start to develop a taste for them maybe we can start and industry? Money on the hoof!?!? ;D
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You'd better have on your Kevlar leggins when the circle starts getting tight. ;D Ever heard a big boar popping his tushes at you? It's one of those sounds that makes you forget about us supposedly being the dominant species..... :o
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Nah, Steve I never have. But I sure want to! Then after hearing that sound a stone tipped point goes right through the boiler room! Joy is roasted wild pig over an open fire!!!! ;D
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Sounds like hunting them is challenging...
Darn, my mouth's watering again ;D.
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Yep, I heard that JOYFULL sound of Bern's obsidean going into a hog. Sounded like a baseball bat hitting it from 7' away. Watched that little piggie walk off into the palmetto. He also had another one sticking out from both sides with a Wendsel on it. Cade and I trailed and chased that one through the palmetto's for two hours. The obsidean arrow hit in the back left ham and exited it the front right shoulder.
Also hit one the morning before, sitting in a treestand 10' above, a 150# range Boar, with a 44 mag in the forehead, he ran and bounced off a tree and never recovered him when he got in the Palmetto's. I also so a guy that got bit by a sow, catching hogs at night with dogs. She started at his left hand and quit chewing and breaking bones half way above his elbow. It wasn't real bad until a month later when all the nasty infection's started. He missed over a years work and almost lost his arm. But they are fun and exciting to hunt and if you are not stupid it's easy.
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I've heard never to corner them since thats what will definitely guaranty a charge.
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I've never had one charge unless you count that old sow Chris Cade was talking about that turned around and started popping her teeth at us. She was already dead and just didn't know it.
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Also never had one use my american express ! er charge card er I mean CHARGE ! ;D.bob
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;D
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Yes Sir!!!!!
It aint the hogs that charge ya,its the Ranch owner,or the person leasing the hunting rights to the ranch that CHARGE ya.They charge ya bigtime too.I remember when Ranch owners used to dang near pay you to eliminate a few of em.They would at least,put you up n feed you to kill a few off.Them days are long gone.
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They trap them by the thousands down here in Florida and get bought by the Game ranches out west.
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I dont doubt that at all Eddie.15 yrs ago,you didnt even need a license to hunt em,thats how much of a nuisence they were considered.Then they started selling over the counter tags for em.I saw the writeing on the wall then.People found out,they could make big money off em.
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Todd, there was a story in one of the papers here about a guy that has the nusaince trapping license for the State Parks here. I think he ships something like 10,000 hogs a year out west. Whats funny, It's against the law to transport wild hogs alive in Florida.
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Still dont need a Pemit in Texas for Hogs...... justa A Small Game Licence covers everything...except deer and Migratory..and a lot of Ranchers will still let you kill em for free.
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I've been hunting them for years. The notion of driving them into a circle is naive. Have you ever tried to stop a #150 pound hog on the run and he runs into your net or pallet. He'll move you and fast, now multiply that by say 20 to 40. Your going down. Even a heart shot and I have plenty, takes 10-12 secs. And if your on the ground and one is pissed your nothing but cheese and guess who the cheese grater is?? I hunted Pa in Mar one year, and wasn't at all ready for the way these hogs had burrowed in the ground with only their top 1/4 exposed. If they were there long enough the snow camouflaged them. We came up a draw and onto a saddle in the hills near Tioga and the ground seem to come to life. Everywhere they were springing up. Quite different than Ca. near Montery. Chester in Eastern Texas, is even more different than that, in that they burrow up against and under downed trees and limbs. When one busts out the others follow suite. Maybe two in there or 40. And they are all moving fast and every direction. All my hogs have been taken with recurve or longbow. Two bladed broadhead, shot low and angling forward. Theres a couple of other web sites that will give you a lot more information on taken hogs with bow or gun even trapping. I don't know if this site will let another site be mentioned, so PM me and I'll give the web site out for that. On another note most of the bows on here that are featured 45 lbs and above used within 15 yds will do the job as long as the hit is where its supposed to be and the broadhead is sharp. I know some can hit at further distances and get the same results. Personally, I like the adrenalin of getting as close as possible and making the best shot possible.
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If you want the adrenalin rush , go after them at night with a couple of dogs, a Mini-Mag light, and catch and zip tie them and bring them out alive. Or just stick them with a knife. Most of my kills with a bow has been about 10 yards or less, on the ground.
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do not shoot a pig in the head with an arrow. the skull is very thick
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I guess you didn't read a previous reply. :)
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Yeah, shootin'em in the head could cause something like this to happen...... ;D
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