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Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: stringstretcher on February 04, 2010, 11:11:35 am

Title: Why not have a?
Post by: stringstretcher on February 04, 2010, 11:11:35 am
Why don't we start a thread of pictures of arrow materials that we cut and harvest to use.  Pictures showing what it looks like as it grows in the area you find it.  This way without doing a search all over the internet for differnent arrow materials, and those that are like me have no idea what some look like, it would be a quick reference.  Here is one of my areas that I cut Jap Arrow Bamboo.  This patch is in the tidewater area of Virginia.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/STRINGSTRETCHER/cane4.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/STRINGSTRETCHER/cane5.jpg)
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: Josh on February 04, 2010, 11:28:36 am
I think that's a great Idea...  :)  -josh
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: aero86 on February 04, 2010, 11:36:02 am
good idea. but you forgot to include where your located!  ill posted mine in a bit
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: stringstretcher on February 04, 2010, 11:52:51 am
I updated the area in my original post.
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: Keenan on February 04, 2010, 11:56:55 am
if I was driving down the road and saw something like that I'm afraid the wife and son would hit the windshield, ::) Everything up here in the NW is bent twisted or requires allot of straightening. To see a patch like that my tire would have a flat spot from the instant stop. ;D
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: Cacatch on February 04, 2010, 12:02:09 pm
I agree with Keenan, you're a lucky man!  I also agree very much with this idea!
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: stringstretcher on February 04, 2010, 12:03:09 pm
Keenan.  When I first started my venture into cane, trust me, I can cut some cooked stuff.  And have plenty that would have made good spears.  Being more selective when you cut, makes a HUGE difference.  As it does with other arrow materials I am sure.
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: Hillbilly on February 04, 2010, 02:05:39 pm
Good idea. Here's a patch of hill cane in western NC.

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Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: RidgeRunner on February 04, 2010, 02:54:15 pm
Hillbilly:
What is the easiest way to tell Hill cane from River cane?

Thanks
David
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: Pat B on February 04, 2010, 05:59:46 pm
David, Hill cane grows in the hills!   ;D   Actually it is the only deciduous native cane I think. May be other distinctions too. Better ask Hillbilly!  ;D
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: aero86 on February 04, 2010, 07:11:14 pm
ok, heres where i get all my cane supplies..
(http://www.homedepot.com/wcsstore/hdus/en_US/images/layout/home-depot-logo_left.gif)


obviously its not mine, borrowed from their website..
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: recurve shooter on February 05, 2010, 01:21:49 am
lol.
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: RidgeRunner on February 05, 2010, 10:01:53 am
Thanks Pat:
Deciduous = Leaves fall off in the winter.
The cane I found last weekend has leaves on it.  So it must be River Cane.  Some of it is still growing on the hills. ;D

David
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: Pat B on February 05, 2010, 10:25:03 am
Hill cane, Arundaneria appalachiana, grows primarily in the Appalachian Mts. I believe. Are you is the lower part of the Appalachian Mts. David?
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: RidgeRunner on February 05, 2010, 10:54:51 am
Pat:
No, I am not in the Appalachians.
I am about 70 to 80 miles west of the Appalachians that run down into the east side of Alabama.

The hills that I am talking about are 5 miles or so south of the Tn. River where the land first starts it's drop into the river valley.
David
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: Hillbilly on February 05, 2010, 11:41:35 am
David, hill cane is smaller, with rounder stems above the nodes (terete). It's semi-deciduous to decidous, and has long, persistant node sheaths on the stems compared to the short ones on river cane that fall off the second year. There are also differences in the number of compressed basal nodes on the branches, hairiness of leaves, and configuration of air canals in the rhizomes. Basically, if you're in the southern Appalachians, and you see a short patch of cane growing on a hillside or ridge well away from water, it's likely hill cane (though it will also grow along streams.) If it's tall and growing in a floodplain, it's probably river cane. If it's winter time, and it doesn't have leaves on it, or only a few yellowish ones, it's probably hill cane. In the Coastal Plain, there is also switch cane, which is somewhere between the two in characteristics.
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: Pat B on February 05, 2010, 12:14:18 pm
I knew Steve could explain it better that me.  ;D
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: stringstretcher on February 06, 2010, 04:28:13 pm
any one else care to contribute?
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: El Destructo on February 07, 2010, 12:43:49 am
All my Bamboo died....It all froze and all of the Leaves fell off now...this last Snowfall and the Deep Freeze before the Snow...I think wiped it all out...maybe the Rhizomes Survived....maybe
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: mullet on February 07, 2010, 01:30:20 am
 I've got more, wait till I get back from Brazil. Or I'll bring a bunch to the Classic.
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: El Destructo on February 07, 2010, 03:19:29 am
I think I am taking the Lariat...so I can beat Dana to the Wood this Year...... ;D.....so I should have room for the Boo too..... >:D
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: DanaM on February 07, 2010, 07:00:43 am
I think I am taking the Lariat...so I can beat Dana to the Wood this Year...... ;D.....so I should have room for the Boo too..... >:D

Mike you just don't want the Shelby sittin in the rain and mud ;)
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: El Destructo on February 07, 2010, 12:33:16 pm
                                Thats probably right...rember...I sat out in the Rain and washed it last Year........ ::)
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: stringstretcher on February 24, 2010, 10:08:01 am
Ok.  We have Jap Arrow Bamboo, Hill cane, we still need some good pictures of switchcane, salsa bamboo, rivercane, and any others that might be out there.  Lets keep this going
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: Pat B on February 24, 2010, 12:50:09 pm
Charlie, here are a few pics of different arrow shoots and cane growing around my property.
These first ones are sourwood (Oxydendron arboreum)

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Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: Pat B on February 24, 2010, 12:52:46 pm
These next ones are silky dogwood (Cornus amomum). Similar to red osier dogwood but not as strong or as heavy. 

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Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: Pat B on February 24, 2010, 12:58:15 pm
These next ones are blackhaw viburnum (Viburnum prunifolium).   Similar to arrowwood viburnum      (V. dentatum). Makes good arrows but usually need occasional straightening. I've never used arrowwood viburnum.

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Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: Pat B on February 24, 2010, 01:05:02 pm
...and finally this is a natural stand of hill cane(Arundinaria appalachiana) growing along my driveway. In the last pic you can see first year growth(paper sheath intact, bright green color), second year growth (paper sheath gone or deteriorated, color more yellow green)and a dead culm(tan color) that was third year growth last season. The second year growth is what you want for arrows. Third year growth is fine if found before it turns tan on it's own. As long as the culm is green it should be fine for arrows.


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Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: aero86 on February 24, 2010, 01:05:47 pm
nice pics pat, that definitely is "dog"wood..  hehe ;D  i know, im silly..
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: Pat B on February 24, 2010, 01:08:06 pm
any wood is dogwood for Lucy Brown!  ;)
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: stringstretcher on February 24, 2010, 01:14:17 pm
Pat, you are the man.  Thats what I am looking for.  And hopefully, well you know what to do...hehehe ;D
Title: Re: Why not have a?
Post by: Pat B on February 24, 2010, 01:44:09 pm
Charlie, I'll post these on your site too.
  I'll try to remember to take some pics during the growing season also. Winter time is the best time to look for arrow shoots because of lack of leaves and other shrubs that block the visibility but summertime is easier to ID the plants.