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Main Discussion Area => English Warbow => Topic started by: ceolith on October 05, 2014, 06:06:43 am

Title: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: ceolith on October 05, 2014, 06:06:43 am
...man gönnt sich ja sonst nix... (got to spoil yourself sometimes. )

-78" italienische Eibe (78inches italian yew)
-Hornnocken aus Wasserbüffelhorn (Waterbuffalo Horn-Nocks)
-18Strang FF Sehne (18Strand Fastflight String)


Nicht mehr, nicht weniger und dennoch alles, was ich immer wollte! (No more, no less, and yet all I ever wanted!)


(http://imageshack.us/a/img202/7593/80eb.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img163/3708/zm25.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img541/3756/gp32.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img36/2387/lbqi.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img35/4395/07f2.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img829/1426/7og0.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img560/5017/pkh1.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img202/9348/7cyu.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img585/6800/hso1.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img836/7078/bqrl.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img849/9259/s4od.jpg)


... 8)

And a video to see him in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp9cqGS5yio
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: WillS on October 05, 2014, 06:56:32 am
Yeahhhhh.  That's a bow. 

Thanks Michael!
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: Del the cat on October 05, 2014, 07:31:48 am
Oh yeah, some great character on that baby ;D
Nice superimposed shot of brace and full draw. I've tried to do that with MS Paint, but like most Microsoft products it doesn't work that well! ::)
Del
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: ajbruggink on October 07, 2014, 11:01:34 pm
Awesome
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: Hrothgar on October 07, 2014, 11:21:40 pm
Beautiful wood, nice bow!
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: Parnell on October 08, 2014, 10:38:26 am
That is a very beautiful bow.  Well done!
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: ceolith on October 08, 2014, 04:28:15 pm
Thank you all.  8)
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: ajbruggink on October 18, 2014, 10:22:02 pm
I like your other bows on Youtube as well, I want to make one like 'Alien', I have no business shooting the heavy warbows yet :-[
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: Hamish on November 05, 2014, 12:43:51 am
Spectacular!
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: mullet on November 12, 2014, 06:39:58 pm
Unbelievable! And beautiful piece of wood.
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: HoorayHorace on December 14, 2014, 08:03:22 am
My favourite type of bow is that right there  :)

A self yew longbow!

Will it last as long as, lets say, a laminate of the same design?

Yew is a softwood, not a hardwood? Like pine or ceder?

 :)
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: PatM on December 14, 2014, 09:58:20 am
It's a hard softwood. ;)
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: HoorayHorace on December 14, 2014, 10:23:39 am
Ahhh

I made a cedar d bow one time. After around 100 shots it stayed in a permantly braced position.
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: PatM on December 14, 2014, 10:42:53 am
If it's going to be "cedar" it has to be a Juniper variety.
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: Aaron H on December 14, 2014, 11:37:06 am
Beautiful wood, you did a great job with that piece.  Well done
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: HoorayHorace on December 25, 2014, 01:56:26 pm
Can yew outshoot a laminate for speed and distance?
A yew longbow vs an ipe/bamboo longbow would be an interesting match, though they are from different periods.
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: PatM on December 26, 2014, 12:59:42 am
Going by the EWBS records for flight with each type the laminated bow seems to have the edge.
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: ceolith on December 26, 2014, 08:33:18 am
But only in the flight-arrow class. The regular arrows like the standart, tudor livery or 1/4pounder are in hand  of the historical maryrose class (only selfyew)
with a good combination you can imitate a good yew bow. but in fakt the yew has all what he need to be a bow.  :)
the name 'taxus' come from the greek 'toxon', what simply mean: BOW.
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: PatM on December 26, 2014, 09:29:36 am
In the non-historical class do many people shoot Ipe/Boo?
 Still seeing a lot of USA yew in those records despite the superiority of Baccata.  ;)
 
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: adb on December 26, 2014, 10:27:58 am
Bamboo is only allowed in the flight arrow class. It is not allowed in the non-historic class of EWBS, CWBS, etc.
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: PatM on December 26, 2014, 10:49:29 am
  Well nothing will get proved that way. At least unofficially the tests could be done.
 
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: adb on December 26, 2014, 01:18:34 pm
I believe the thinking was bamboo was just too far from anything reasonably historic. I know laminated bows are nothing close to being historic either, but I think the warbow societies are looking to avoid people showing up to events with horse bows, or reflexed or recurved bows, or anything that doesn't closely "look the part" of a warbow. There are also minimum draw weights and OAL for bows, and no horn or sinew is allowed.
I know a maple or hickory backed yew warbow is difficult to distinguish from a yew selfbow, until you have a closer look. I guess you have to draw the line somewhere, and they've done it with bamboo.
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: HoorayHorace on December 26, 2014, 06:44:12 pm
A good laminate can out shoot a good yew bow...of the same draw weight?

I read somewhere that a triple laminate bow can shoot a medieval spec arrow further than a good self yew bow.

I know laminates are not historic, but would be interesting to know whether the best laminate could out preform the best yew.

Is ipe/bamboo not the best of laminates?
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: WillS on December 26, 2014, 08:04:51 pm
I believe the thinking was bamboo was just too far from anything reasonably historic. I know laminated bows are nothing close to being historic either, but I think the warbow societies are looking to avoid people showing up to events with horse bows, or reflexed or recurved bows, or anything that doesn't closely "look the part" of a warbow. There are also minimum draw weights and OAL for bows, and no horn or sinew is allowed.
I know a maple or hickory backed yew warbow is difficult to distinguish from a yew selfbow, until you have a closer look. I guess you have to draw the line somewhere, and they've done it with bamboo.

As a point of interest, people are encouraged within the ewbs to turn up with anything at all.  At most shoots there are guys with recurves, horse bows and so on.  They're all allowed to shoot at the roves and stuff, but only specific bows are permitted at the actual flight shoots, as those are purely focused on "experimental archaeology" in seeing what historical bows were actually capable of.  It's quite a nice change from the rest of the UKs stupidly strict governing bodies where if you turn up with a longbow without horn nocks you're disqualified from any event!

The non-historical category at the moment is mainly laminates and spliced warbows.
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: JW_Halverson on December 26, 2014, 09:54:18 pm
ok, putting this thread back on track.....

Blacksmith, I have a serious disagreement with you on a critical point.  You are in error when you claim this bow is to spoil yourself.  That is horribly incorrect.  This bow is necessary!
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: HoorayHorace on December 27, 2014, 08:23:49 am
I quite like horse bows, especially the Mongol design. At my club you can shoot whatever you wish  :)

They used a lot of horse bows for the making of Game Of Thrones.

Would be interesting to see a heavy weight horse ow bof about 100lb shooting a medieval style arrow...just to see how far it goes.
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: WillS on December 27, 2014, 11:25:35 am
There's a vid online somewhere of Joe shooting a 177# Turkish horse bow.  Not sure how far it went though. 
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: PatM on December 27, 2014, 11:29:24 am
That bow was no more a Turkish Horse bow than  a horse is a rhino.
 Pretty sure the distances achieved were posted though. Marginally greater than a similar weight flatbow.
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: HoorayHorace on December 27, 2014, 01:04:29 pm
From my understanding, the flat bow and horse bow are faster shooters than the longbow?


I mean more efficient pound for pound of draw weight
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: WillS on December 27, 2014, 10:51:17 pm
That bow was no more a Turkish Horse bow than  a horse is a rhino.
 Pretty sure the distances achieved were posted though. Marginally greater than a similar weight flatbow.

I'm assuming this isn't the best moment to let you know that one of the closest living species to a rhinoceros is a horse, right?

The "Rhino" bow did 386 yards I think.  Not sure what the arrow was, however.
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: PatM on December 27, 2014, 11:15:04 pm
 
That bow was no more a Turkish Horse bow than  a horse is a rhino.
 Pretty sure the distances achieved were posted though. Marginally greater than a similar weight flatbow.

I'm assuming this isn't the best moment to let you know that one of the closest living species to a rhinoceros is a horse, right?

The "Rhino" bow did 386 yards I think.  Not sure what the arrow was, however.
If you knew me you would know that I am well aware of that and it is also exactly my point.
 It looks a bit like it and you can see the common ancestry but it's still not the same thing at all.
   
  Surprised I had to spell that out....
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: HoorayHorace on January 02, 2015, 04:47:16 pm
It must take years and years of hard training to shoot a bow of 130lb
Title: Re: Blacksmith's *Heimdallr* 78" Yew Warbow 129#@32"
Post by: JackCrafty on January 02, 2015, 05:39:11 pm
I don't usually comment on these BUT THAT THING IS AWESOME!   ;D