Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: thimosabbv on March 28, 2007, 08:28:38 pm
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These are both from elm.
The 1st is a long, narrow flat bow that I put a black finish on. It is 68"L 100# at 28"
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/1a1-2blackie1.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/1a1-2Blacky-1.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/1a1-2blackstone-1.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/1a1-2blackstone-2.jpg
The second is an elm Warbow, that I named "Black-Dog" it is 74"L and 115# at 30"
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/1a1-blackbtch3.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/1a1-blackbtch2.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/1a1-blackbtch1.jpg
Hope you guys enjoy them. They are two of my favorites so far.
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Very nice work................they sure must be powerful.....bob
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ya Thimo! Love them! How many grain arrow are you shooting out of the 100#er?
SJM
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Very nice Thimosabby,You look like you are kind of red in the face on that last one.Good job both building and drawing. :)
Pappy
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Thanks everyone.
The arrow is 1/2" ash with an armor pierceing bodkin. I believe it is over 1300 grains.
Here is a video of me shooting the warbow. She's fast.
http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/?action=view¤t=blackdog1.flv
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Man you do great work. No power tools I assume? If I made a 100# bow I'd have to use both hands and feet ;D
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Nice bows as usual, man the poundage would fix my shoulder issues, I'd be scheduling surgery sooner.
VB
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Nice tiller on both of those bows, Thimo. I'm working on a yew heavy but only have it bending about 2". I'll never be able to pull it. Heck, it hurts just to see pics of you and others pulling the heavies. Pat
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Those bows both look great Timo, I bet they are fast. Steve
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damn Thimo! those are some real monsters. just out of curiosity what is the heaviest bow you have ever drawn? My record is 91 pounds. those bows make me wanna do some of my own.
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Thanks everyone.
FN the heaviest so far is 135#. I'm still trying to cross the 150# mark.
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As usual Thimo awesome bows, I stand in awe of you guys that can crank them heavy bows back.
DanaM
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Hi Timo,
two nice bows, you have made. I like them.
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awesome. she sure looks fast on that video. i noticed you named the images of the second bow "blackbtch". what does that stand for? ;D
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Very nice Thimo. Don't give yourself a hernia pulling those monsters back, like I did. :)
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Very cool, Thimo. 8) 8)
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Excellent tillers on both, some of your best stuff to date. I alwasy like watching your videos, I wish more of us were adept with the technology.
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We'll look at both of these fine elm bows tomorrow for March Bow of the Month Consideration
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thimo! - very nice bows!!!
i don't know whether this was mentioned before: there is a slight possibility that you are A mad man. good luck with the 150" mark, though!
frank
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Your bows just better and better. These last two are quite impressive, both for their sheer power and pleasing lines.
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"there is a slight possibility that you are A mad man"
As a march hare. :)
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Thimo,
You've come a long way as a bowyer in the past 6 months. I feel a kindred spirit with you and your obsession with building bows that contort your face at full draw. Those are some very nice bows.
If you do make 150#, you'll be part of a very exclusive club. Only a few people in the whole world doing that. Race Ya! Ha, ha, ha!
J. D. Duff
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Thimo, absolutely beautiful bows. Great tiller. The shooting video was quite impressive. Jawge
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Hey J.D............................ how many people in the world do you think can pull over 150-75 lbs and hold for aim ? :P..bob
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congrats thimo,
nice bows, especially the ELB!
greets belabear
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Bob,
I don't think there are many more than a dozen in that range. There may only be two or three doing 175# in the world. It's hard to say because any guesses are based on who shows up at shoots and on forums but there may be more. My goal is to move up from 110# to 150# but I don't know that my skeleton is on board with that one! People seem to be able to get into a routine of shooting 120# or so but much more than that requires concentrated effort.
J. D. Duff
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My question is can you hit anything with it? lol.... ::)
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Ryan, They could maybe hit something the size of a horse at 250 yards but not a deer at 15. ;D Pat
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If you're shooting into a mass of 25,000 soldiers, can you miss?
J. D. Duff
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Well, JD, there have been estimates that it took between 20,000 and 200,000 rounds per kill in WWII through Vietnam, and I wonder if there is an similary type of estimates for medieval battles featuring the English war bow. Do you know if anyone has done a study of the kill ratios at Agincourt, etc? And was suppressive fire or harrassing fire a factor in those battles?
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Dane,
The kill rate of the English War bow (as it was employed in English warfare) was so high English archers were said to have carried the lives of 24 men in each quiver (of 24 arrows). English arrows were very carefully crafted so they would have been expensive and time consuming to make. Battles like Againcourt were not 'jungle warfare to say the least. Archers were used to concentrate the masses of French soldiers in the middle of the field. When the English archers fired at the sidelines Frenchmen forced their way toward the middle of the field in a panic to get away from the English fire. Archers would then send clouds of arrows into the center of the field where people were forced tightly together. I don't think many arrows missed. Of course, that was as good as it got for the English. It didn't always work.
J. D. Duff
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with 135# I can hit a bale of hay with 2 out of 3 arrows at 80 yards. 1 out of 3 at 100 yards and 3 out of 3 at 40 yards. At 15 yards and less I could put 6 arrows through a pie pan, or a deers heart.
With a 115# bow I can kill running rabbits, squirrels, ect, ect. ::)
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You must have some pretty damn big rabbits and squirrels up there in Virginny if you need a 115# bow to kill 'em :o ;D
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That is some pretty good shooting there Timo,no not pretty good that is real good. :)What would you charge to come to Tennessee and give me some lessons I've been shooting for years and still have a lot of trouble hitting a Squirrel. ;D
Pappy
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I second Pappys comment. I have a hard enough time hitting them with a 50# bow.....lol.
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Dane,
The kill rate of the English War bow (as it was employed in English warfare) was so high English archers were said to have carried the lives of 24 men in each quiver (of 24 arrows). English arrows were very carefully crafted so they would have been expensive and time consuming to make. Battles like Againcourt were not 'jungle warfare to say the least. Archers were used to concentrate the masses of French soldiers in the middle of the field. When the English archers fired at the sidelines Frenchmen forced their way toward the middle of the field in a panic to get away from the English fire. Archers would then send clouds of arrows into the center of the field where people were forced tightly together. I don't think many arrows missed. Of course, that was as good as it got for the English. It didn't always work.
J. D. Duff
Interesting stuff, JD. I wonder what the reality was, though - victors always write the history. A few thoughts: the American Civil War tactics were often massed troops firing against other massed troops, much as in the Napolionic War, but with weapons freightfully more effective than the smooth bore muskets of the early 19th century. Going on 4 years of warfare, even then, with seasoned troops, it took a whole lot of miniballs to kill or wound one enemy, many thousands to kill one man.
The medieval foot soldier was a commoner, probably never traveled more than a few miles from his birthplace, and was badly fed, suffered from disease and starvation, etc. Suddenly he was confronted by thousands of enemy soldiers bent on his destruction, a terrifying scenerio. Sure, the English weren't ducking volley after volley of enemy arrows (were they?), but the psyschology of the battlefield alone must factor negatively into how accurate they shot. These guys of course grew up with the longbow, so had a lifetime of training with the weapon, but clout shooting and a battle are entirely different things. In a few weeks, you can be a fairly competent rifleman, and if they do so badly accuracy wise in conflicts down to the beginning of gunpowder, how really did a medieval archer do, lifetime of training factored in?
Has anyone done any forensic studies on these battles, to try to determine actual causualties from arrow wounds, or is even such a thing possible? That would would be very interesting stuff there.