Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Shooting and Hunting => Topic started by: aero86 on February 16, 2010, 07:06:57 pm
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so, is it something with primitive bows that cant be avoided or is it something that can be? ive tried my best to avoid it, but i still get it. im trying to get my groove with shooting, but its hurting! and do you you guys sight down the shaft when you shoot?
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I don't really sight down the arrow, I just kinda know where the arrow is supposed to go and sometimes it goes there. :) (I really don't know how else to explain it) ;) I used to really have a problem with wrist slap, the more I worried about it the worse it got. I got a really good wrist guard and quit worrying about it and then the string just stopped slapping my wrist. I started using it less and less and now I don't even wear the wrist bracer anymore and I don't miss it at all... :) (...not really much help sorry :-\ )
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a low brace height on the bow can cause it,along with other factors such as a stiff bow arm(leave your elbow slightly bent on the arm that holds the bow)
this will help keep your wrist away from the string some
my self,i dont like or use an arm gaurd
i think that helps keep my arm slightly bent to avoid slapping it
also my bows are braced around 5.5"-6"
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nah. no big deal! haha. whats the best way to find your anchor? right now, im only drawing like 27 but i feel i could get 28. when i anchor, i kinda my jaw with my right hand, and thats about 27
the brace height on this one is about 5.5. ive tried to keep my elbow bent a little, maybe i need to make an effort to be aware of it.
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...it doesn't really matter where you anchor, just that you go to the same spot every time.. My anchor hasn't changed since I first started shooting and I have noticed my shooting has steadily gotten better. :) When I anchor my thumb IP joint touches below my cheekbone and my index finger touches the corner of my mouth as soon as I feel both of these things I have already released the arrow and it is moving its way SLOWLY towards the target, LOL.
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I anchor with my thumb web under my jaw bone and my index finger is in the corner of the mouth- if you can get your thumb under your jaw it's the easiest way to know that you're arm is in line with the arrow and that you're alignment is at least close.
When it comes to slap, I always shoot with an arm gaurd. I'd need a 6.5" to 7" brace height to not get slapped and I couldn't do that to a wooden bow :D
I shoot with the arrow pointed to the target, moving it up or down for the distance. My focus shifts from more on the target to more on the tip the farthre out I get.
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I shoot instinctively...I don't look down the arrow anymore. For me I found that the more I tried to sight down the arrow and concentrate on where I was aiming it the more I got wrist slap. After a little while I just started to concentrate on the target point and the wrist slap got less frequent and now its gone.
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^^^^that's kinda what I was trying to say! ;D
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i try to see where the arrow is going to hit before i shoot it and in most cases it does i just try not to think so much and just do it has always fixed it self with me
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Aero,try adjusting your bow arm/hand a little.Try slightly bending your elbow,and roll it under and away from the string.Also,try holding your bow hand where the back of your hand is in line with the top of your arm.I shoot like this and never hit my arm,even at low brace. JMHO. God Bless
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Try opening your stance some,might help.
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Try ....Not Letting the String Slap the Crap out of You................. >:D
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Didn't you also mention in another thread that you are using an Art. Sinew string?
That extra stretch on that stuff might not be helping either...
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Hmmm. Gonna have a lot of shooting ahead of me I guess! Lol. Guess ill stick to shooting at smaller things from now on. The string on this bow, I'm not sure what it is. Its a bow made by one of the sponsors here, the linen backed bow. It doesn't slap near as much as the art. Sinew does.
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LOL okay, I have no pointers on shooting. I am not a good target shooter. Bought Become the Arrow...it's an okay book but not all that impressed and bought Shooting The Stickbow it is a good book but I think I might go ahead and get Asbel's book.
Good luck on reducing that arm slap. When I first started shooting a selfbow at 15 I didn't use an arm guard because I had read that good form eliminates it...Long story short, I spent a lot of painful lessons until I learned how to avoid it. I didn't start shooting again until last year,10 years later, and apparently I forgot those lessons and I'm not tough enough anymore to do it without protection ;)
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A lot of times it is the way you hold the bow and also low brace,but one other thing to look for is if the string lays down the center of the bow,some say if it is laying torward the arrow side it is a good thing and as far as arrow spine it is easier to tune but it will also give you more arm slap. :) No tips on shooting I just look at what I want to hit and let her rip. ;) :) :)
Pappy
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a couple things too add is to hold the bow with it resting on the pad of your thumb, not deep in the palm. and most important is your loose. dont let go of the string. let it slip from your fingers. if it isnt slipping from your fingers you are plucking the string. this will also cause slap and screw up any chance of accuracy as well. whether you snap shoot or have a solid anchor you need to have a clean loose. once your hand touches that anchor and the string leaves. your hand should remain where it is on your face. not fly to the side or backward.
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well, part of my aiming problem is i am plucking the string. when i think about it, i hit what i aim at, some what. still getting the string slap though. i believe its the way im holding the bow. i dont feel comfortable just supporting the bow, not just holding it. guess ill try harder at it.
heres what im shooting at, about 15 feet away.
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/145/l_853e4444b7a44af9925a399a4b402e90.jpg)
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my shooting got better when I started canting the bow more... Forgot to mention that... how far do you cant the bow when you shoot? I cant it around 45* :)
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im sorry, im unsure what you mean by that. like leaning it a bit away? so the bow isnt straight up and down? because thats how ive been shooting it, straight up and down
i just noticed my "bottle rocket" launch pad at the lower part of the picture. i collect dr pepper bottles then put some soda in them, shake, turn upside down, then shoot the cap with a bb gun. fun when youve got nothing to do.
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yeah... tilt/cant the bow around 45 degrees... helped my shooting alot. also makes the arrow sit on your knuckle/rest better too :)
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ill have to try that. so i should keep my bow arm in line with the arrow, but bend my elbow slightly, cant the bow a bit? ill try it all. seems like being my elbow will reduce my draw length ive been hitting..
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I haven't worn an arm guard in years, except in the wintertime to keep coat sleeves out of the way. I just worked on my form until it didn't slap my arm. Canting the bow helped me tremendously with accuracy. I can't hit a thing straight up and down. I often shoot with the bow almost horizontal. You just have to shoot and it'll start to come together eventually. I think I unconciously sight down the arrow without really realizing it, kind of the Howard Hill split-vision thing.
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theres an archery range close to me. maybe i need to just go there and see if i can blank bale..
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well, i think ive got this figured out to a point. canting the bow a bit help and opening up my stance a bit helped too. definitely have to remember on every shot to just let go, dont pluck, throws it off everytime. now its coming down to my equipment. i need to get the right spined arrows for this thing. the one with the feathers coming off, shoots the best! haha. but anyways, thanks for the pointers guys!
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Glad to hear you are on the right track now ;)
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ill have to try that. so i should keep my bow arm in line with the arrow, but bend my elbow slightly, cant the bow a bit? ill try it all. seems like being my elbow will reduce my draw length ive been hitting..
That's actually a good thing- shorter draw lets you make shorter bows!
Keep hittin' em, aero!
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i dont mind shooting the long bows i have, though i havent tried a shorter one. how can i figure out what my actual draw length should be?
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i dont mind shooting the long bows i have, though i havent tried a shorter one. how can i figure out what my actual draw length should be?
draw a bow with an arrow and have a friend clip a clothespin on the arrow where it touches the back of the bow.. Measure from the inside of clothespin to inside the arrow nock for drawlength... ;)
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I have a floating anchor. I don't draw the same length every time. I concentrate on a spot, and draw to where my eyes tell my mind, to let my fingers know, to let go. ;D I never could pull to an anchor, every time, just wasn't accurate enough for my liking. The floating anchor just feels natural to me, and i like my accuracy. I always hit my wrist area with the string on my selfbows. I don't hit my arm at all with recurves. Build and shoot the bow the way it feels natural to you. ;) Just my two cents. Good luck.
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man, everything i try, still hits. i even tried adjusting the string height to about 6.25 inches..
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Just put your arm guard down by your wrist, and enjoy yourself. ;) I trimmed my armguard so it has a dip cut in it to fit around the fatty part of my thumb. If you move your armguard down to the thumb area, you won't feel a thing. ;D
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i think brace height will help i had to brace my long bow 7.5 to 8.0 to stop hitting my arm and i dont look down the arrow to aim i just look at what i want to hit and then draw and shoot like throwing a football you dont aim you just throw it.
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Well I can probably brace it a bit higher than what its at now. Ill have to do it Monday on that bow because its at work!
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Well I couldn't wait for Monday so I tried my bow that I have here. I moved the brace height to around 7 or so. Nothing anymore. And also practced shooting and I'm getting better. I shoot better not trying to anchor and not holding either
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Glad to hear you got it figured out.
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Switch to a FastFlight string. ;D
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kinda got it figured out i guess. i think about it too much. and then again, maybe its my arrows. they might have a bit more spine than i need for my 40 and 45lb bows..
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Looks like your locking you arm like if you were shooting a compound.Open your stance and crook your arm more[elbow].
I shoot totally instintive.Do the same thing each time,ankor at the same spot each time,consintrate,Look at the smallest spot you can.
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yeah, got the slap figured out. thanks guys! now i just gotta practice hitting stuff! haha