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Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: BOWMAN53 on November 22, 2013, 02:30:16 pm

Title: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: BOWMAN53 on November 22, 2013, 02:30:16 pm
budlight bottles seem to be really fragile and break easily. snaple has a flat center and what seems like a seperate sheet of glass where flakes like to dig in and step. The best bottles ive tried so far have come from the green perrier mineral waters.

what has your guys experience with different bottle bottoms been like?
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: flungonin on November 22, 2013, 02:52:52 pm
The Green Odools  seems to stay consistant. Budlight Platinum seems lighter, more plastic and eaisier to breakage. Haven't had any bad luck with brown bottles.
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: BOWMAN53 on November 22, 2013, 02:56:24 pm
it seems like its all the domestic bottles that have the issues, imports seem to be better quality.
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: knapperhead on November 22, 2013, 03:18:56 pm
better contents too.......... ;D
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: BOWMAN53 on November 22, 2013, 03:24:33 pm
better contents too.......... ;D

idk man, ive had some amazing american beer.
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: mullet on November 22, 2013, 03:29:40 pm
I like the old 1 gallon Clorox bleach bottles when I can find one.
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: BOWMAN53 on November 22, 2013, 03:34:45 pm
I like the old 1 gallon Clorox bleach bottles when I can find one.

ive never even seen one before eddie lol
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: JackCrafty on November 22, 2013, 07:38:44 pm
Funny, the imports I like to drink have crappy bottles for knapping.

Here is a list of my favorites:

Pickle Jar - 1 gallon
Riesling Wine Blue Bottle - .75 liter or 25 oz.
Perrier Green Bottle - .75 liter or 25 oz.
Beer Brown Bottle, Large - 22 oz.
Beer Brown Bottle, Growler - 64 oz.


Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: BOWMAN53 on November 22, 2013, 07:50:04 pm
i might have to go buy some pickles lol. my sister is pregnant, maybe ill buy her a jar too. and peanut butter ofcourse.
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: JackCrafty on November 22, 2013, 07:54:19 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: papoints on November 22, 2013, 09:20:29 pm
I get most of my bottle bottoms from walking in creeks.  Generally nature takes care of the rest of the bottle for you and the bottom is left behind.  You would be amazed at how distributed trash can be in a watershed.  I have found two of those clorox bottles that way and they are a treat to knap.
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: mullet on November 22, 2013, 09:33:53 pm
I like the old 1 gallon Clorox bleach bottles when I can find one.

ive never even seen one before eddie lol
I'll post a picture tomorrow. You must be a young'n. ;)
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: Loneviking on November 23, 2013, 01:18:02 am
I'm 53 and don't recall ever seeing a Chlorox bottle. Never thought about trying some of the jar bottoms. Biggest frustration I've found is getting the right size nail for the bottle! Too small and you get tiny shards, too big and you bust the bottom to smithereens!
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: BOWMAN53 on November 23, 2013, 01:23:43 am
I'm not a fan of the nail technique, half the time it works, other half only gives you half the bottom. I've always gotten whole bottoms when I break the bottles with a hammer at the neck.
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: JackCrafty on November 23, 2013, 03:02:42 am
For Clorox bottles, just do a search on ebay for "vintage clorox bottle".  You'll see quite a few for sale.
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: koan on November 23, 2013, 07:44:09 am
Those old Clorox bottles bring $10-$30 at auctions and flea markets round here.... I aint breakin em up, lol... I do have a couple glass 1gallon milk jugs i aint figured out the best way to break yet..5 thick usable side on them... Brian
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: flungonin on November 23, 2013, 12:57:31 pm
I used a nail once. Forget it. Now use a cheap glass cutter just to etch the glass and a hobbist torch t to go over the etch and that heat fractures all the way through. Sometimes the crack needs just a little tap to separate the glass. This technic works extremely well on square liquor bottles.
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: mullet on November 23, 2013, 04:22:49 pm
Those old Clorox bottles bring $10-$30 at auctions and flea markets round here.... I aint breakin em up, lol... I do have a couple glass 1gallon milk jugs i aint figured out the best way to break yet..5 thick usable side on them... Brian

No kidding? I've got a perfect 1 gallon bottle and know where there is a pick-up truck load more in a ravine in the woods near here. :o
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Post by: koan on November 23, 2013, 04:47:08 pm
Lol.... Poeple go nuts over just about any colored glass...not sure why  8)
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Post by: JackCrafty on November 23, 2013, 04:57:41 pm
Better pick 'em up, Eddie, before someone puts them on ebay and makes a tidy batch of cash.
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Post by: Thesquirrelslinger on November 23, 2013, 06:47:13 pm
lets see...
#1- the nameless blue bottles I find hiking. very strong, easy to flake, and beautiful.
#2. Ale 8 bottles(green glass)-Not nearly as strong, but harder to flake and more durable.
#3-clear 4 sided glass wine or some other drink bottles(I don't care what b/c I don't drink it ;))- beautiful for knives, and really sharp... flakes very well!

I can get an almost unlimited amount of bottle bottoms from hiking and my neighbor(he makes beer, and gives me his reject bottles)- flatter bottoms aren't always better IMO.






Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: bubby on November 23, 2013, 11:11:36 pm
brandy bottles work good too, but don't get near my growler , $3.00 refills at the brewery
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: Loneviking on November 24, 2013, 11:18:18 am
Flungonin, when you say hobbyist torch do you mean the small Butane torches? Or the bigger propane ones? Or something else? You're method sounds better than the nails I've been working with!
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: flungonin on November 25, 2013, 01:48:53 am
The small Butane torch. I have used the other butane bottle that Wal-Mart sells that is used on caming stoves. Either of the butane torches works. Just put the flame on the etched glass and follow the etch.
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: Ed Brooks on November 25, 2013, 12:34:11 pm
Have you guys tried to cut the bottle with string and fire? I have never tried this I just watched this one. Ed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUk1M1wQsns
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: sleek on November 25, 2013, 02:35:05 pm
Or how about the bar trick where you have beer ( water please ) in the bottle almost full, then slam your palm forcefully onto the mouth opening. That sends a pressure wave to the bottom where it just pops off clean as can be.
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: BOWMAN53 on November 25, 2013, 03:00:42 pm
Or how about the bar trick where you have beer ( water please ) in the bottle almost full, then slam your palm forcefully onto the mouth opening. That sends a pressure wave to the bottom where it just pops off clean as can be.

i havent tried that one before, ill give it a try.
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: bubby on November 25, 2013, 08:11:03 pm
 have a lot of luck with a nail on bigger bottles I use a small lag bolt, I put the bottle in a plastic bag so when the bottom pops off it doesn't hit the ground, didn't take long to figure that out ::), bub
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: sleek on November 25, 2013, 09:32:58 pm
http://youtu.be/X-hBMyaigqI


The bar trick I was referring too...
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: mullet on November 25, 2013, 09:44:39 pm
My diamond saw cuts them like butter. :D
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Post by: sleek on November 25, 2013, 09:52:41 pm
Now thats not very primitive Mullet...
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Post by: JackCrafty on November 25, 2013, 10:21:14 pm
Sleek, I was very doubtful about that trick until I saw it.  I wonder if the bottom remained intact.
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: sleek on November 25, 2013, 11:00:36 pm
I did it once. Bottom came off very clean. Broke when it hit the sink.
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: Tower on November 25, 2013, 11:07:32 pm
Patrick, that's a dang good Reisling.   

			
Title: Re: bottles are not created equally.
Post by: JackCrafty on November 25, 2013, 11:54:59 pm
Sleek, interesting...

Don, yep, good stuff.  But I only drink a half glass and chuck the rest.  I like the bottle better.